# Catch-All Dio Pitting **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 11, 2011, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997 "2011-04-11T20:04:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/161 "2011-04-12T19:57:41Z")
> [@JThunder](#): > > He does much more than that. He regularly makes stuff up. That is, he lies outright – and yet, thanks to the message board rules, nobody is allowed to point this out, even when it’s blatantly obvious. > > This is true even on matters in which he’s fairly knowledgeable, such as mainstream Bible scholarship and certain aspects of politics. He posts articulate statements that are rooted in fact, as many other Dopers do; however, he also makes stuff up when painted into a corner, and it happens a lot. Do you mean “my opinions are unquestionable truth, therefore anything that contradicts them must be false”? Because sure, he does that a lot. On preview - OK, I see what y’all are talking about. > [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > “I don’t call people names because they disagree with me” is not the same as “I don’t call people who disagree with me names”. The word “because” is crucial here. I don’t see any difference. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/162 "2011-04-12T20:00:30Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I don’t see any difference. Well, there is a distinction, although there’s no way for us to tell whether it’s true. He says that while he might insult people who disagree with them, he does it for some reason other than that they are disagreeing with him. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/163 "2011-04-12T20:13:29Z")
A nitpickery bickering over nitpickery bickering. Very productive. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/164 "2011-04-12T20:14:30Z")
[Semi-relevant xkcd comic](http://xkcd.com/386/) (especially the mouse-over). > [@acsenray](#): > > He says that while he might insult people who disagree with them, he does it for some reason other than that they are disagreeing with him. Which is of course, bologna. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/165 "2011-04-12T20:21:43Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > Well, there is a distinction, although there’s no way for us to tell whether it’s true. > > He says that while he might insult people who disagree with them, he does it for some reason other than that they are disagreeing with him. That doesn’t seem to be what he was claiming as a defense. His response was > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I never said I “never” called anybody names. I said “I’m not as prone to it.” The actual quote is this - > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > There is no irony in it. I never whine and call people names and accuse them of trolling because they diagree with me. “I never do that” follwed by “I never said I never do that”. He could have said “OK, I misspoke - I meant I don’t do it very much” and that would have been fine - but that’s not how the script for the Dio Show runs. _:shrugs:_ I’ve wasted too much time reading his nonsense. Like I said, I think he is often trolling, so I shouldn’t feed him. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/166 "2011-04-12T20:25:46Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Do you disagree with the notion that you have to read the entire quote? What was the point of your first paragraph here?“I don’t call people names because they disagree with me” is not the same as “I don’t call people who disagree with me names”. The word “because” is crucial here. The first time this happened, I quoted the entire thing, I was sure to hit all the points he referenced, the only way out of it was to say “weasel” out of it. As it bled into other threads, such as this one, I didn’t quote the whole thing as most people knew what I was talking about so I shortened it to “I never call people names/yes you did, look/I never said ‘I never’” Then he attacks me on that, so how, overlooking the first time I brought it up. And [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13670255&postcount=25) it is. I posted the original statement in it’s entirety, I posted the part where he called people names for disagreeing with him. I also explained later (because he ‘called’ me on it) that when you go into a Superbowl thread where the Packers are playing and call Packer fans names, you are calling the posters names, not just packer fans in general. Then later he comes back with “I never said that” Ya know what, if you’re gonna play that way, fuck off. WTF do you do with that. When you have concrete fucking proof that someone said something and they say “Nope, never said that, I said something else instead” What do you do? If you had a photograph if your friend at McDonalds, and they said they weren’t there, so you showed them the picture and they just said “Nope, I wasn’t there, I was at Burger King, don’t know what you’re talking about.” What do you do? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/167 "2011-04-12T20:26:17Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > That doesn’t seem to be what he was claiming as a defense. Not until he was called on the “never”, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/168 "2011-04-12T20:38:45Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > That doesn’t seem to be what he was claiming as a defense. His response was There were two statement being conflated. He said he never calls people names for disagreeing with him. He separately said that he doesn’t call people names in general more than most people. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/169 "2011-04-12T20:40:43Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Either way he’s still doing two things. Actually calling people names and being an ass by doing so. That’s very possible. I was only discussing whether he was lying about it. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/170 "2011-04-12T22:17:18Z")
**Dio** used to be the single poster I actively loathed, because my first significant interaction with him (four years ago) involved him playing Junior Detective in a thread I posted about my traumatic childhood. I was severely depressed and having intense symptoms of PTSD and he decided I was lying. At the time it was an incredibly raw and painful experience and it was rather shocking to see someone so oblivious to the harm inflicted by his words. I was so freaked out I quit my job (I got it back the following week… but yeah, not a fun time in my life.) And for a long time I blamed him for my own weakness. But out of everyone on this board, he’s the one who helped me grow the most. He’s the reason I have thicker skin. I learned that one thing you cannot depend on others for is personal validation. It’s been a long hard road to be able to validate myself but I do in some ways credit **Dio** for that. Whether he meant to or not, he pushed me to grow the fuck up and get on with my life. I don’t always get treated with kid gloves around here and I like it that way because it keeps me honest with myself. I’ve come to respect him with time, and that’s because I really don’t think he means half the shit he says. He feels certain issues very strongly and he’s even admitted before that his mouth gets ahead of his brain at times because of this. If anything his willingness to acknowledge that his judgment was affected by having a daughter is proof that he knows he’s got this blind spot. I feel like people don’t pay enough attention to the ways that he acknowledges his issues with this. He doesn’t mean to hurt anyone. It’s weird, I’ve gone from despising him to feeling weirdly defensive and protective of him. I understand - believe me - how hurtful and/or upsetting and/or infuriating he can be, but for me, intention is really important. I think the best response is to just take him for what he is or ignore him. And for me that means enjoying the real contributions he makes to this place without getting too bent out of shape about the more controversial things. I think he is part of what makes the Dope disctinctively the Dope. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/171 "2011-04-12T22:25:23Z")
I understand where you’re coming from, Olives, and I thought your post was well-spoken and heartfelt, but IMO respect that is predicated on “Oh, he doesn’t really mean what he says” is a false respect, based on your beliefs and wishes about who the person is, as opposed to his actual statements and actions. I also think that when someone is a douchebag to you and prompts an emotional breakdown that leads to personal growth, that growth is attributable solely to you, and not the douchebag. That’s obviously just my opinion, of course. But I think you’re giving the guy a lot of credit for stuff he really had nothing to do with. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/172 "2011-04-12T22:32:29Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I’ll just go have a nice, interesting discussion in my thread about an eight-year old who got pepper-sprayed - oh, wait, I can’t, because it got closed because of **Dio**. We all know it’s the fucking internet; that doesn’t make what he does okay. It’s just tv; is it okay if someone comes over and stands in front of it while you’re trying to watch something you’re interested in? How about if I kick the back of your seat while you’re trying to watch a movie? It’s just a movie, after all. I feel so bad about that thread. I was one of the people interacting with Dio. I had pretty much ignored him until then, but in that thread he was so freaking dense, and yet it seemed like it would only take a quick cite to make him see the light…and then he was so freaking dense, and… Anyway. If I’d twigged that this was his entire gig and raison d’être, I’d have let it be. That’s part of the problem I guess, there are always going to be people who’ve not interacted with him. Sorry about screwing up your pepper spray thread. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/173 "2011-04-12T22:32:37Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I posted the original statement in it’s entirety, I posted the part where he called people names for disagreeing with him. I also explained later (because he ‘called’ me on it) that when you go into a Superbowl thread where the Packers are playing and call Packer fans names, you are calling the posters names, not just packer fans in general. > Then later he comes back with “I never said that” Ya know what, if you’re gonna play that way, fuck off. WTF do you do with that. When you have concrete fucking proof that someone said something and they say “Nope, never said that, I said something else instead” What do you do? The Packers fans stuff is another issue. (That’s one of these hot moderator/rules topics on this boards - apparently you’re allowed to insult groups that include fellow posters outside the Pit but cannot insult fellow posters. I’m not taking a position on that here, but my point is that apparently other people buy into this distinction, not just Dio.) The incorrect accusations of lying in that thread were primarily by **Lute Skywalker** , in posts 226, 233 & 238, and later taken up by you in post 239. These are not dependent on the Packer fan issue, and involve you guys missing important qualifiers. Possibly because you were so rightiously indignant about other matters, but nonetheless … ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/174 "2011-04-12T22:36:05Z")
I had a violent asshole of a neighbor. One day we got into an arguement about weeds. He shot my ass. They rushed me to the hospital and they found a cancerous tumor as well. Doctor said it saved my life. Therefore I conclude it is our duty all be violent assholes who shoot people because think of all the good it will do. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/175 "2011-04-12T22:44:46Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > The Packers fans stuff is another issue. (That’s one of these hot moderator/rules topics on this boards - apparently you’re allowed to insult groups that include fellow posters outside the Pit but cannot insult fellow posters. I’m not taking a position on that here, but my point is that apparently other people buy into this distinction, not just Dio.) > > . I think you’re missing the point. It doesn’t matter if the mods allow you to " insult groups that include fellow posters outside the Pit but cannot insult fellow posters" what I’m claiming is that by insulting packer fans in a packer thread, you are insulting the posters in that thread. Whether or not it’s allowed, I really don’t care, I’m not terribly concerned about that. He said he didn’t insult posters, I’m saying he did. > [@](#): > > The incorrect accusations of lying in that thread were primarily by **Lute Skywalker** , in posts 226, 233 & 238, and later taken up by you in post 239. These are not dependent on the Packer fan issue, and involve you guys missing important qualifiers. Possibly because you were so rightiously indignant about other matters, but nonetheless .. We’ve gone over this a hundred times across several threads, if you want to discuss it, you’re going to bring something new to the table. Either write out a nice argument or drop it. Telling me I missed an important qualifier because I was righteously indignant isn’t something I’m going to sit here and defend myself against as it’s much to vague. Make a clear, concise, well written argument with cites and we’ll talk. Also, if possible, go back to the original quotes. As I mentioned up thread, as this went on and on I paraphrased just to speed things up a bit. As usual, Dio took the paraphrased parts and ran. If you want to make an argument, you don’t get to use the paraphrased stuff, you have to use the original statements that tipped off the bickering. Find the very first time I called him out for saying he never calls people names and then he defends himself by saying he never said he never calls people names. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/176 "2011-04-12T23:00:01Z")
The sad part is that he’s probably been masturbating to the amount of attention he gets with these threads. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/177 "2011-04-12T23:33:21Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > I feel so bad about that thread. I was one of the people interacting with Dio. I had pretty much ignored him until then, but in that thread he was so freaking dense, and yet it seemed like it would only take a quick cite to make him see the light…and then he was so freaking dense, and… > > Anyway. If I’d twigged that this was his entire gig and raison d’être, I’d have let it be. That’s part of the problem I guess, there are always going to be people who’ve not interacted with him. > > Sorry about screwing up your pepper spray thread. Don’t worry about it - that’s pretty much exactly how it goes, and that’s why ignoring him when he goes off making absolute Pronouncements From On High will never work. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/178 "2011-04-13T00:09:58Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > **Dio** used to be the single poster I actively loathed, because my first significant interaction with him (four years ago) involved him playing Junior Detective in a thread I posted about my traumatic childhood. I was severely depressed and having intense symptoms of PTSD and he decided I was lying. At the time it was an incredibly raw and painful experience and it was rather shocking to see someone so oblivious to the harm inflicted by his words. I was so freaked out I quit my job (I got it back the following week… but yeah, not a fun time in my life.) And for a long time I blamed him for my own weakness. > > But out of everyone on this board, he’s the one who helped me grow the most. He’s the reason I have thicker skin. I learned that one thing you cannot depend on others for is personal validation. It’s been a long hard road to be able to validate myself but I do in some ways credit **Dio** for that. Whether he meant to or not, he pushed me to grow the fuck up and get on with my life. > > I don’t always get treated with kid gloves around here and I like it that way because it keeps me honest with myself. I’ve come to respect him with time, and that’s because I really don’t think he means half the shit he says. He feels certain issues very strongly and he’s even admitted before that his mouth gets ahead of his brain at times because of this. If anything his willingness to acknowledge that his judgment was affected by having a daughter is proof that he knows he’s got this blind spot. I feel like people don’t pay enough attention to the ways that he acknowledges his issues with this. He doesn’t mean to hurt anyone. > > It’s weird, I’ve gone from despising him to feeling weirdly defensive and protective of him. I understand - believe me - how hurtful and/or upsetting and/or infuriating he can be, but for me, intention is really important. I think the best response is to just take him for what he is or ignore him. And for me that means enjoying the real contributions he makes to this place without getting too bent out of shape about the more controversial things. I think he is part of what makes the Dope disctinctively the Dope. “Welcome to Stockholm! Please accept this traditional necklace of\* surströmming\*…” ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/179 "2011-04-13T00:14:34Z")
surströmming I had to look that up. Damn that’s funny. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/180 "2011-04-13T00:30:45Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > I understand where you’re coming from, Olives, and I thought your post was well-spoken and heartfelt, but IMO respect that is predicated on “Oh, he doesn’t really mean what he says” is a false respect, based on your beliefs and wishes about who the person is, as opposed to his actual statements and actions. > > I also think that when someone is a douchebag to you and prompts an emotional breakdown that leads to personal growth, that growth is attributable solely to you, and not the douchebag. That’s obviously just my opinion, of course. But I think you’re giving the guy a lot of credit for stuff he really had nothing to do with. [QUOTE=billfish] I had a violent asshole of a neighbor. One day we got into an arguement about weeds. He shot my ass. They rushed me to the hospital and they found a cancerous tumor as well. Doctor said it saved my life. Therefore I conclude it is our duty all be violent assholes who shoot people because think of all the good it will do. [/QUOTE] > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > “Welcome to Stockholm! Please accept this traditional necklace of\* surströmming\*…” All right, point taken. I still find him entertaining. I think he has the Internet version of [OCPD.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCPD) > [@](#): > > The primary symptoms of OCPD are a preoccupation with details, rules, lists, order, organization, and schedules; being very rigid and inflexible in their beliefs; showing perfectionism that interferes with completing a task; excessive focus on being productive with their time; being very conscientious; having inflexible morality, ethics, or values; hoarding items that may no longer have value; and a reluctance to trust a work assignment or task to someone else for fear that their standards will not be met. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997.md?page=10)