# Catholic Bishops can suck my ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 19, 2021, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594 "2021-06-19T00:43:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/261 "2021-07-28T21:31:39Z")
Ask honest questions, get honest answers. Ask loaded questions, get no answers. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/262 "2021-07-28T21:32:28Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Well duh, because they’re trying to get the politicians to change their position, i.e., to be persuaded that supporting abortion rights is wrong and unacceptable. And they were not trying get Priests to stop raping kids. I know it’s a late response, but you left the door wide open. ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/263 "2021-07-28T21:34:00Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > You’ve flat-out accused me of participating in the molestation of my own children. I guess I might as well move this along by asking where you think this happened. “Flat-out accused,” no less. ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/264 "2021-07-28T21:34:36Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Ask honest questions, get honest answers. Ask loaded questions, get no answers. It’s only “loaded” because you, he, and I all know what the answer is and how that will make him look. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/265 "2021-07-28T21:48:08Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > - If a child-raping priest was concealing his crimes from his fellow priests, nobody would be denying him communion because nobody else would be aware that he was in a state of mortal sin. > - If a child-raping priest were found out and did not repudiate his crimes, it would be totally fucking obvious to everybody with that knowledge that he was in a state of mortal sin and thus was not entitled to receive communion, and there would be no announcements about it. > - If a child-raping priest repudiated his crimes and went through the process of confession-repentance-absolution, he would no longer be in a state of mortal sin and thus would be eligible to receive communion; and again, it would not be a matter of public record. Let’s get Cardinal Law’s take on this. Lots of Priest and Bishops knew. Again, a point of fact. Law new for at least 15 years and did not help the children, his fellow Catholics, but chose to help the rapists. Not once, not twice, not thrice… It was because he cared about the Church image and gave fuck all about the kids he was serving up. As did all the Priests who knew about it and kept quiet. Many of whom are still part of the hierarchy, From their actions, we can see they care NOT ABOUT ABORTION, but a political position on abortion, and they do not care at all about their employees raping kids. You disagree? Help me out then. _ **Show me that they gave a fuck.** _ This will be admittedly difficult, as most mea culpas are about PR and not abolut expressing actual feelings. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/266 "2021-07-28T21:51:30Z")
Lest anyone think that my ire is solely directed at Catholics, it is not. The Southern Baptists can suck my ass as well. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/267 "2021-07-28T21:58:37Z")
I thought for sure that this thread would mention that the top administrator of the group hoping to deny Biden communion has resigned because it was revealed he is active on Grindr. > **[Key member of bishops' group that wanted to deny Biden communion resigns...](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/7/21/2041204/-Key-member-of-bishops-group-that-wanted-to-deny-Biden-communion-resigns-after-Grindr-use-exposed)** > > Masturbation is still a big no-no, according to the Catholic Church. The catechism calls it “an intrinsically and gravely disordered action.” But it’s only a mortal sin if you’re doing it right. For those of you who weren’t raised Catholic, you... ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/268 "2021-07-28T22:06:38Z")
It did. It was discussed. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/269 "2021-07-28T22:12:09Z")
Sorry, missed it. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/270 "2021-07-28T22:38:50Z")
Things are moving fast here. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/271 "2021-07-29T16:42:56Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > The most salient difference is that in the year after the BSA sex abuse scandal exploded, they lost half their members. While it’s true that scouting has been somewhat on the decline long-term, that’s a year-on-year comparison just from where it was in 2019 to 2020. I thought the drop then was from the LDS church starting their own “scoutish” group, not from any sex scandal. The Mormons were one of the largest religious backers of BSA, and the biggest reason for many of the conservative positions nationally. And, BTW, the biggest reason that the BSA had to declare bankruptcy was because they made no effort whatsoever to track accusations. Predators were often quietly removed from local packs / troops / crews with no repercussions; they could (and did) join other packs / troops / crews to abuse again. > [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > We can pretend that the “4 to 5 percent” number is accurate when we all know it’s a wild undercounting, but what matters more is that even if 10 or 20 or 50 or 70 percent of priests were convicted abusers, a true believer could not and will not leave the Church or refuse communion from those priests, because it is the only way to salvation. Trying to get **SL** to admit that in so many words will be a waste of time, but it’s the staggering reality of why it’s different when a church does it. What if there was no such thing as a rhetorical question? By the time you could “convict” 10% or 20% or 70% of Catholic priests of abuse, there would be such schisms in the church that the “true believers” would have numerous “Catholic Churches” to chose from. You are showing your hatred of organized religion by bringing up such absurd extreme hypotheticals. You aren’t winning the argument with Saintly\_Loser with your “gotcha” hypothetical; you’re showing your own biases. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/272 "2021-07-30T16:35:53Z")
A couple of interesting takes on this incident from the Catholic press (note – not from any official publications of the Catholic church or any diocese or order): > **[Give It an ‘F’ | Commonweal Magazine](https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/give-it-f)** > > Journalistic values are moral values, and on this measure The Pillar fails. > **[Pillar: Shoot for the stars and land in the gutter](https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/distinctly-catholic/pillar-shoot-stars-and-land-gutter)** > > Distinctly Catholic: If you're OK with bullies who shout anti-gay slurs, you might appreciate The Pillar's recent articles that used data from a gay hookup app. If, like most decent people, you do not like bullies, you're probably disgusted. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/273 "2021-07-30T16:43:48Z")
Yeah, sometimes everyone involved in a situation is an asshole. I assume any religious leader trying to blackmail a politician by denying him access to religious rites is a hypocritical douche. I assume anyone who has taken a lifelong vow of celibacy and says certain aspects of sexuality are mortal sins is way in denial and violating his tenets frequently and with great relish. I didn’t need an article to let me know they were self-loathing hypocrites. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/274 "2021-08-03T22:54:21Z")
Having read this thread cursorily (because I already know what people will say), I am totally with Saintly Loser here. And I can say, with a fair amount of certainty, that the reason Catholics keep attending Mass at their parish is because they LIKE IT THERE. That is where their friends, their faith family is, they trust THEIR pastor, they like worshiping there. All that shit that Catholicism-hostile/ignorant people are posting here is not reality to most Catholics. The greater Catholic church and its problems are troubling, shocking, depressing, to most Catholics, and some definitely leave because of it. And many stay despite it, not because they believe their souls are in danger if they leave, but because it is their home. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/275 "2021-08-03T23:15:04Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > And I can say, with a fair amount of certainty, that the reason Catholics keep attending Mass at their parish is because they LIKE IT THERE. That is where their friends, their faith family is, they trust THEIR pastor, As did the parents of the kids that were raped. It was a tool in the pedophile toolkit. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/276 "2021-08-03T23:30:27Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > As did the parents of the kids that were raped. It was a tool in the pedophile toolkit. Yes. But that is true of most pedophiles everywhere, and has nothing to do with why Catholics stay in their parishes. ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/277 "2021-08-03T23:50:42Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > All that shit that Catholicism-hostile/ignorant people are posting here is not reality to most Catholics. If most Catholics lived in anything resembling reality as it pertains to the extent of sexual abuse, then there wouldn’t be a single church left standing in the face of 1.3 billion people worldwide responding to what’s gone on. The whole reason we’re having this discussion is because there is clearly nothing that can happen, of any nature or scope, that will get people like SL to stop insisting that the problem is somewhere else, someone else, someone they don’t know, and that everyone they’ve ever met on Sunday is just being smeared unfairly. Every parent of every victim thought the same way until they didn’t, and the fact that people are still willing to live in anything but reality is why the victims keep getting served up. ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2021, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/278 "2021-08-04T00:16:47Z")
> [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > I thought the drop then was from the LDS church starting their own “scoutish” group, not from any sex scandal. The Mormons were one of the largest religious backers of BSA, and the biggest reason for many of the conservative positions nationally. Mormon troops were about 20% of BSA. If you take the Mormons out of the equation then 29% of non-Mormon scouts who were enrolled in 2019 left by the end of 2020. It’s a huge drop and it doesn’t even account for the people who won’t enroll at the Cub Scout level when their families would have considered doing so 10-20 years ago. > And, BTW, the biggest reason that the BSA had to declare bankruptcy was because they made no effort whatsoever to track accusations. Predators were often quietly removed from local packs / troops / crews with no repercussions; they could (and did) join other packs / troops / crews to abuse again. Sounds familiar. > By the time you could “convict” 10% or 20% or 70% of Catholic priests of abuse, there would be such schisms in the church that the “true believers” would have numerous “Catholic Churches” to chose from. I doubt it. Again, the problem in the Church was well-known in the 2000s, the fact that all of the subsequent revelations have made _no_ impact on the decision to be a member, leave children with priests etc is strong evidence that there is nothing that will change the minds of the attendees. > You are showing your hatred of organized religion by bringing up such absurd extreme hypotheticals. You aren’t winning the argument with Saintly\_Loser with your “gotcha” hypothetical; you’re showing your own biases. If only people who like Catholicism are allowed to criticize Catholicism then we’re in for a short thread. Fortunately that is not the rule. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2021, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/279 "2021-08-04T00:30:48Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > As did the parents of the kids that were raped. It was a tool in the pedophile toolkit. Are you arguing that no parent should ever trust anyone, ever, anywhere? Because trusted people from every walk of life have turned out to be pedophiles. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2021, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594/280 "2021-08-04T00:43:36Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Because trusted people from every walk of life have turned out to be pedophiles. How many of those non-priest pedophiles have massive support groups that will cover up misdeeds and/or find them new jobs in the same field? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-bishops-can-suck-my-ass/944594.md?page=15)