# Catholic cardinal criticises gay marriages plan **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 4, 2012, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756 "2012-03-04T21:46:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/21 "2012-03-05T16:32:08Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > I’d be reasonably comfortable with legalized slavery, with the assurance that no one would ever be forced to be a slave. > > Right now, not very far from me at all, are people happily pretending to be each others’ slaves… > > Gay marriage offers me the same protection: no one is ever going to compel me to marry a man (or woman!) I don’t want to. The Cardinal is being a doofus. Are you talking about The Vault or Spank? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/22 "2012-03-05T19:53:20Z")
This is all a plot to destroy whatever influence the Catholic church still has. I hope it works. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/23 "2012-03-06T00:22:38Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > I’ve never heard that phrase before (is it an other-side-of-the-pond thing?) but I’m determined to work it into conversation at the nearest opportunity. And, yes, the RCC can go fuck itsel- wait. Hmmm. :dubious: “quite the cluck” is sort of hybrid British/American lingo… British English often uses the phrase “quite the…” “Quite the little bigot,” “quite the fool,” etc. A Brit might say, “Quite the charlie.” (That may be terribly dated today…) “Cluck” seems to be American slang for “foolish person.” Cross-Atlantic hybrid portmanteaus can be fun. The priest is “Getting on for dorky.” ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/24 "2012-03-06T00:25:24Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Are you talking about The Vault or Spank? I don’t know either of these… But I do know a bunch of people who engage in “master/slave” relationships that are a bit more serious than ordinary role-playing. So long as it’s wholly voluntary, then…eh. Not my cuppa, but I won’t go out of my way to interfere with their jollies. (I’m a “Furry,” and thus live in a glass house!) ---
**Author:** ![ticker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@ticker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ticker)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/25 "2012-03-06T00:29:55Z")
If gay men are allowed to participate fully in normal life, where is the next generation of priests coming from? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/26 "2012-03-06T00:47:38Z")
> [@ticker](#): > > If gay men are allowed to participate fully in normal life, where is the next generation of priests coming from? Clown college dropouts? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/27 "2012-03-06T01:16:26Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > “Cluck” seems to be American slang for “foolish person.” If it is, this is the first I’ve heard of it. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/28 "2012-03-06T01:26:19Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Clown college dropouts? As if getting raped by a priest wasn’t bad enough. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/29 "2012-03-06T02:07:49Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > If it is, this is the first I’ve heard of it. Gosharooty! Like “twerp” and “drip,” “[cluck](http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cluck)” isn’t much used these days… ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/30 "2012-03-06T02:13:43Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Gosharooty! Like “twerp” and “drip,” “[cluck](http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cluck)” isn’t much used these days… I use it. Often with “clueless.” “My god, I just stood there like a clueless cluck…” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/31 "2012-03-06T02:30:51Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > “Cluck” seems to be American slang for “foolish person.” > [@Miller](#): > > If it is, this is the first I’ve heard of it. The Sunday Funnies in my local paper once included a Bugs Bunny strip (it was an economically underprivileged local paper, and could not afford Disney-based strips, such as Donald Duck and Scamp; they had to make do with Warner Bros.-based strips). In these strips Bugs was far more likely to call Elmer (or Daffy or Sylvester) a “cluck” than a “maroon,” which it appears he reserved for his film work. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/32 "2012-03-06T05:19:18Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > The unmarried nonce in the dress said it will “redefine marriage for the whole of society at the behest of a small minority of activists”. > > What are Catholic cardinals if not a small minority of activists who seek to define marriage for the whole of society? > > I’d rather we get to choose for ourselves. I choose allowing people who love each other to get married. > > At least Cameron is in favour, anyway. Not [Kirk](http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00048456.html). Roddy ---
**Author:** ![Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uosdwis_R.Dewoh)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/33 "2012-03-06T10:10:02Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > Not [Kirk](http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00048456.html). People who get confused by bananas shouldn’t have a say in society. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/34 "2012-03-06T13:40:17Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > The next generation will then be even less willing to put up with his barely suppressed hatred. > > A comforting thought in the long run but of no help to those of us who wish it would all happen rather more quickly. I’m not sure this is even contrary to the Church’s intentions. The Church has had a “vocation crisis” for at least 20 years now. Priests often have to take “riding pastorships” where they say Mass at three or four different parishes on Sunday. I think they understand that the days when there were at least two priests per parish, and two Masses a day with six on Sunday (including the Saturday 5:00) are not coming back, and they’re reducing the flock to fit the clergy. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/35 "2012-03-06T15:26:51Z")
What are these plans he’s talking about? Is a Conservative government actually proposing legislation allowing gay marriage? 'Cause that would be super. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/36 "2012-03-06T15:52:02Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > What are these plans he’s talking about? Is a Conservative government actually proposing legislation allowing gay marriage? 'Cause that would be super. It is. Cameron is very onboard with the idea. Consultation period about to start. The proposed changes are to civil marraige. No one is proposing forcing change to the religious side of things. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/37 "2012-03-06T15:53:27Z")
Since the C of E is an arm of the government, wouldn’t marriage-rights legislation force it (though obviously not other sects) to perform same sex marriages? ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/38 "2012-03-06T17:06:51Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Since the C of E is an arm of the government, wouldn’t marriage-rights legislation force it (though obviously not other sects) to perform same sex marriages? No. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/39 "2012-03-06T17:20:59Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Yes, he is expected to criticize gay marriage. But not by excessive and illogical screeds, fallacious comparisons, unrestrained hyperbole, and arrant untruths. I think you missed the part where all of the arguments against it fall into those categories… ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756/40 "2012-03-06T18:07:30Z")
> [@SanVito](#): > > No. Thanks, I suppose. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-cardinal-criticises-gay-marriages-plan/614756.md?page=3)