# Catholic Church I pit you. (not catholic dopers, however.) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 3, 2005, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819 "2005-03-03T23:05:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/1 "2005-03-03T23:05:03Z")
I feel angry about the catholic church. I beleve that if had not existed, the world would be a much better place. In [another thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=304616) I started to show the influence the masons and christian had on the world. (Simpified: Masons Good, catholics Bad) and was asked: > [@Captain Amazing](#): > > So the Catholic church is responsible, not just for any bad actions committed by any Catholic at any time, but by any Christian, generally, at any time? I think that argument is a kind of unreasonable one. And, btw, you never told me what Stoddard or the Crusader chronicler did that was so terrible. I will elaborate on this tommorow, for I need to sign off soon. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/2 "2005-03-03T23:10:27Z")
Uhm why didn’t you wait until you had time to write your whole OP out before you posted? How much longer do you have on your guest membership? I personally and I don’t feel I am alone hope that you do not choose to register after your guest membership is up. ---
**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/3 "2005-03-03T23:11:35Z")
Aren’t pittings usually in the, erm, pit? ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/4 "2005-03-03T23:16:57Z")
[Moderator Hat ON] To da Pit. [Moderator Hat OFF] ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/5 "2005-03-03T23:17:36Z")
> [@Avenger](#): > > Aren’t pittings usually in the, erm, pit? Oh. Damn. Well, it is a religious discussion, and I have to sign off soon. Oh, and treis? Ten days. Also, my whole OP is I feel that the church has produced nothing good. Their might be individual catholic who are good people, but that is in spite of the church. Oh and yes, I realize this is the exact opposite of what most christians say about atheists. Let me start out by pointing out that many of my ancestors were killed in the inquisition. Now, I really have to sign off. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/6 "2005-03-03T23:19:52Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > Oh. Damn. Well, it is a religious discussion, and I have to sign off soon. > > Oh, and treis? Ten days. Also, my whole OP is I feel that the church has produced nothing good. Their might be individual catholic who are good people, but that is in spite of the church. Oh and yes, I realize this is the exact opposite of what most christians say about atheists. **Let me start out by pointing out that many of my ancestors were killed in the inquisition.** Now, I really have to sign off. Bolding mine. Some might think not nearly enough, and those too late. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/7 "2005-03-03T23:20:54Z")
Does anybody else read the OP in such a way that it implies Scott doesn’t like Catholics? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/8 "2005-03-03T23:21:38Z")
> [@](#): > > Let me start out by pointing out that many of my ancestors were killed in the inquisition. A) I doubt that that is true. b) Apparently not enough of them (if any). 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/9 "2005-03-03T23:22:02Z")
Ha ha! Are we allowed to wish that someone’s already dead ancestors had died earlier? I bet they haven’t anticipated that in the board rules! ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/10 "2005-03-03T23:23:31Z")
Psst. You guys. Post # 6. Pass it on. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/11 "2005-03-03T23:24:16Z")
No one expects… Hell not even worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/12 "2005-03-03T23:25:13Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > Psst. You guys. Post # 6. Pass it on. Yeah, but **Tomndebb** can just edit it to make it look like _he_ pre-empted you 😉 ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/13 "2005-03-03T23:26:35Z")
**Scott\_plaid** , I hope you do pony up the duckies for a full membership. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/14 "2005-03-03T23:27:00Z")
> [@Avenger](#): > > Yeah, but **Tomndebb** can just edit it to make it look like _he_ pre-empted you 😉 Were it not for the fact that **Tom** is honorable, this might be a concern. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/15 "2005-03-03T23:28:36Z")
Three of my ancestors were killed in the Civil War fighting for the South (one in a prison camp in NY that was smaller than Andersonville but generally considered not much better) and I’ve never had the least problem with Northerners (except on the individual basis, and I’ve had that with members of my own family). This was probably a much shorter period of time ago than the Catholics killed your ancestors, so either I’m more forgiving or am not a very good descendant. Who I really hate, though, are Indonesians. It was their damned volcano in Toba in 74,523 BCE that wiped out almost my entire family (it was just after suppertime when they were spreading out on their leaves ready to enjoy a game of pin-the-tail-on-the-Neanderthal) and Indonesia never so much as sent a card. To this day I will drive thousands of miles to avoid Indonesia. (I’m sure some Indonesians are good people, but it’s in spite of the volcanoes.) ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/16 "2005-03-03T23:31:29Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Three of my ancestors were killed in the Civil War fighting for the South (one in a prison camp in NY that was smaller than Andersonville but generally considered not much better) and I’ve never had the least problem with Northerners (except on the individual basis, and I’ve had that with members of my own family). This was probably a much shorter period of time ago than the Catholics killed your ancestors, so either I’m more forgiving or am not a very good descendant. > > Who I really hate, though, are Indonesians. It was their damned volcano in Toba in 74,523 BCE that wiped out almost my entire family (it was just after suppertime when they were spreading out on their leaves ready to enjoy a game of pin-the-tail-on-the-Neanderthal) and Indonesia never so much as sent a card. To this day I will drive thousands of miles to avoid Indonesia. (I’m sure some Indonesians are good people, but it’s in spite of the volcanoes.) OK, you’ve officially gotten me out of my bad mood. And just when I was beginning to enjoy it. That was too funny. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/17 "2005-03-03T23:32:19Z")
> [@Avenger](#): > > Ha ha! Are we allowed to wish that someone’s already dead ancestors had died earlier? I bet they haven’t anticipated that in the board rules! Am I the only person who’s imagining Cecil and the Moderators and Administrators gathering around the scriptures and attempting to ascertain if this is “wishing death” rather like Talmud scholars trying to decide if an ornate wooden leg qualifies as vanity if worn on the Sabbath? I probably am, but it’s still a cool image. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/18 "2005-03-03T23:33:54Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > Oh and yes, I realize this is the exact opposite of what most christians say about atheists. I normally don’t do this, but cite? ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/19 "2005-03-03T23:57:20Z")
As a member of the Catholic Church (since catholic people ARE the Church) who has contributed to society and doing good works, I am insulted. Nonetheless, I shall pray for you and your befallen ancestors. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2005, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819/20 "2005-03-04T00:03:52Z")
You don’t like the Catholic Church? Because it’s done nothing good? I just Googled “catholic church accomplishments” and came up with [this page](http://biblia.com/christ/accomplishments.htm) , but I did it while I was thinking, "Just who does this moron think funds any hospital with the name ‘Saint Whatever?’ Has this idiot ever heard of Fordham, Georgetown, or any other Catholic university? Does this wretched mass of barely-conscious biological waste have any conception of the dangers priests in South America endure while simply trying to secure a livable environment for their parishoners? Ever seen _Romero_, dumbass? I am a Catholic. I love my Church, apostolic succession, fullness-of-the-faith doctrine, Paulist extremes aside. I love the people in my Church, though they are human and fallible even as I am. The Catholic Church is a human institution and subject to the limits of humanity. Its size renders its missteps more noticeable than the stumblings of one man, but those stumblings are not its definition- its definition is it adherence to the teachings of Christ and the works it does in His name. Yesterday the Church was directly responsible for healing thousands, for educating thousands, for feeding, clothing, comforting vast numbers of God’s children, all like you and me but for circumstance. What did **you** do yesterday, asshole? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-church-i-pit-you-not-catholic-dopers-however/292819.md?page=2)