# Catholic School Students Yell at Jewish Students... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 13, 2016, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841 "2016-03-13T05:30:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2016, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/83 "2016-03-14T16:02:38Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Response: “It was suicide by cop!” That is surprisingly profound for a throwaway line. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > How does one dress as a rabbi? Honestly, I wouldn’t know. With just a smidge less room in the trousers than for a Catholic priest. Yes, it’s a circumcision joke. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/84 "2016-03-15T02:00:55Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Completely black uniforms. Of course. Thank you. (I vaguely assumed it meant they were very successful, they always ran ‘in the black’ metaphorically. Life is so much simpler than I assume.) > [@andros](#): > > [Intimidating as hell](https://pbohara.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/new-all-blacks-rugby-jersey-2011-2012.jpg?w=610)on the pitch, even _without_ the [haka](https://youtu.be/PptTeyYShdw). Not to mention maniacal and troglodytic and … shockingly handsome. Who is that young man on the far right? Never mind, but I might just take up an interest in rugby. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/85 "2016-03-15T03:18:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And it’s an accusation that always puzzled me, even as a kid. Sure, the Jewish crowd involved in the story of Jesus’ death were dicks, but they didn’t kill Him. The Romans killed Jesus. > > I guess, “Your distant ancestors didn’t stop the Romans from killing Jesus!” Is too complicated for a chant. I’ve never understood it either. Wasn’t the whole point of Christ that he was sent to Earth to die for people’s sins? Therefore, whoever killed him was working God’s will, and should be thanked. Not to mention that if he hadn’t been killed tere would be no salvation… ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/86 "2016-03-15T07:17:08Z")
> [@SCAdian](#): > > I’ve never understood it either. Wasn’t the whole point of Christ that he was sent to Earth to die for people’s sins? Therefore, whoever killed him was working God’s will, and should be thanked. Not to mention that if he hadn’t been killed tere would be no salvation… That’s yet another perspective. But carried to its logical conclusion, Judas was a hero. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/87 "2016-03-15T08:00:43Z")
> [@SCAdian](#): > > I’ve never understood it either. Wasn’t the whole point of Christ that he was sent to Earth to die for people’s sins? Therefore, whoever killed him was working God’s will, and should be thanked. Not to mention that if he hadn’t been killed tere would be no salvation… Well quite. The whole point of the Jesus story is that he “died”. The betrayal and execution was critical, no point in blaming those involved, and yes, if the story is to be believed then Judas was a hero. He was the only one brave enough to shop a criminal to the authorities. Plus…according to the laws of the time he was definitely guilty, absolutely banged to rights. Sure the trial was a little slapdash and the sentence was a tad draconian but he definitely did was he was accused of. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/88 "2016-03-15T09:27:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That’s yet another perspective. But carried to its logical conclusion, Judas was a hero. [Gospel of Judas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Judas). Apocryphal, of course, and indicative of the fact that religious fringe nuttery has a long history. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/89 "2016-03-15T09:52:22Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That’s yet another perspective. But carried to its logical conclusion, Judas was a hero. I always thought Peter’s sin was greater than Judas’s, that Judas thought he was doing the right thing, but Peter was a coward and a hypocrite. Of course, I haven’t given the matter much thought in recent years. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/90 "2016-03-15T11:47:22Z")
The Catholic kids didn’t need to be taught it at school. The gospels are rife with antisemitism. > [@](#): > > The Jews, who have both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. Thessalonians 2:14-6 Peter excoriates the Jews in Acts 3:15 for having killed the Prince of Life. John in 8:44 says to the Jews, “Ye are of the Devil.” Matthew in 27:25 has the Jewish mob baying at Pilate: “Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.” Catholic teachers have no need to teach antisemitism, all they have to do is encourage the kids to read their Bible. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/91 "2016-03-15T13:47:00Z")
> [@j666](#): > > I always thought Peter’s sin was greater than Judas’s, that Judas thought he was doing the right thing, but Peter was a coward and a hypocrite. Of course, I haven’t given the matter much thought in recent years. Judas did it for money, not because he thought it was right. At lest, that is standard Catholic teaching. Thirty pcs of silver. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/92 "2016-03-15T14:51:37Z")
BTW, in case no one has linked to it yet, there’s a rather good Straight Dope column from 2002 on the subject written by Dex: [Who killed Jesus?](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2011/who-killed-jesus) Recommended reading. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/93 "2016-03-15T15:03:18Z")
> [@andros](#): > > [haka](https://youtu.be/PptTeyYShdw). I thought for sure the guys in red were going to do a Rockettes. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/94 "2016-03-15T15:39:44Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > The Catholic kids didn’t need to be taught it at school. The gospels are rife with antisemitism. > … > Catholic teachers have no need to teach antisemitism, all they have to do is encourage the kids to read their Bible. Yeah, but Catholics aren’t big on reading the Bible. At least when I was in school, we almost never read the actual Bible. I think the only time I heard excerpts was during the Gospel reading during Sunday mass. Other than that, we just didn’t read the Bible. Maybe in high school? I escaped parochial school for public by then. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/95 "2016-03-15T17:33:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I would be very surprised to learn that this was being taught in any educational setting. I suppose this is something they could have heard at home, but more likely, it’s something they found as a meme somewhere. > > And it’s an accusation that always puzzled me, even as a kid. Sure, the Jewish crowd involved in the story of Jesus’ death were dicks, but they didn’t kill Him. The Romans killed Jesus. > > I guess, “Your distant ancestors didn’t stop the Romans from killing Jesus!” Is too complicated for a chant. Remember when Pontius Pilate washes his hands? Do you remember why he did that? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/96 "2016-03-15T17:40:10Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > The Catholic kids didn’t need to be taught it at school. The gospels are rife with antisemitism. > > Thessalonians 2:14-6 > > Peter excoriates the Jews in Acts 3:15 for having killed the Prince of Life. John in 8:44 says to the Jews, “Ye are of the Devil.” Matthew in 27:25 has the Jewish mob baying at Pilate: “Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.” > > Catholic teachers have no need to teach antisemitism, all they have to do is encourage the kids to read their Bible. 1. That’s not what “rife” means. 2. None of your “cites” say what you think they do. In Acts 3, Peter does not “excoriate” anyone, much less “the Jews.” He notes that his fellow Israelites disowned Jesus, and then he immediately says that he knows they did it out of ignorance- that they did not know the gravity of what they did. John 8:44 is castigating Jesus’s opponents, the people who are trying to kill him, not all Jews. Matthew 27 describes how the general public would prefer the release of a revolutionary/freedom fighter rather than a religious zealot who may have suborned tax evasion. When Pilate says, “I have had enough of you people,” the people say, “fine, whatever, give us Barabbas.” Are you here to talk about the subject of the OP, or are you here to bash Catholicism? Whichever it is, you’re doing a poor job. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/97 "2016-03-15T17:58:32Z")
Are Jews the only ones whose descendants are supposed to bear responsibility for their forefathers’ behavior? That’s a pretty shitty deal. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/98 "2016-03-15T18:43:20Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Thirty pcs of silver. What a gaming set up Judas had. Did he have a T1 line too? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/99 "2016-03-15T21:40:00Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Remember when Pontius Pilate washes his hands? Do you remember why he did that? He was playing with himself. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/100 "2016-03-15T22:25:39Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > He was playing with himself. The body of Christ… ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/101 "2016-03-15T22:35:21Z")
> [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](#): > > 1. That’s not what “rife” means. > > 2. None of your “cites” say what you think they do. > > In Acts 3, Peter does not “excoriate” anyone, much less “the Jews.” He notes that his fellow Israelites disowned Jesus, and then he immediately says that he knows they did it out of ignorance- that they did not know the gravity of what they did. > > John 8:44 is castigating Jesus’s opponents, the people who are trying to kill him, not all Jews. > > Matthew 27 describes how the general public would prefer the release of a revolutionary/freedom fighter rather than a religious zealot who may have suborned tax evasion. When Pilate says, “I have had enough of you people,” the people say, “fine, whatever, give us Barabbas.” You’re way out on a limb denying that the New Testament has passages which clearly are aimed at the Jews and their supposed responsibility for the death of Jesus. And not just the NT. The Church Fathers too enthusiastically took up the message, most especially Augustine of Hippo, Tertullian and John Chrysostom. I really cannot believe that you are ignorant of the Church’s history on this issue. If you are then I have neither the time nor the inclination to enlighten you. Just research the damn stuff yourself. As for bashing the Roman Catholic church you’re misreading me. It’s the early Christian writers I’m bashing. Here’s Augustine, still revered by the RCs. Go on, tell me I’m twisting his words. > [@](#): > > Confessions 12:14 > > How hateful to me are the enemies of your Scripture! How I wish that you would slay them (the Jews) with your two-edged sword, so that there should be none to oppose your word! Gladly would I have them die to themselves and live to you! I had no wish to derail the thread further by replying, but your attempt to whitewash clearly antisemitic passages in scripture just couldn’t go unanswered. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841/102 "2016-03-15T22:57:46Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > No, based on pretty much all your posts on racial issues here, where you’re constantly arguing that you should dictate how minorities feel or act, and otherwise dismissing the legitimacy of racial issues. > > It’s not just one situation. You have no sympathy for racial issues, period. > > Maybe not a Neo-Nazi, but you are a bigot. With your head so far up your ass I’m surprised you can sense any of my dictation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholic-school-students-yell-at-jewish-students/748841.md?page=6)