# CatholicVote.org. Need to Shut Up **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2015, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042 "2015-07-02T14:35:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/1 "2015-07-02T14:35:01Z")
The group’s newest video, [seen here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6PPk2NOQXs), portrays what is assumed to be a group of “everyday” people who are nervous about sharing something about themselves that they feel might make them feel excluded or seen as different. That it might invite scorn or discrimination. That terrible secret? That they feel that marriage should be between a man and a woman. Oh the humanity! That these poor Christians should be persecuted and condemned for their views that some people are not equal to others! My heart bleeds for them. Get off the fucking cross, you sanctimonious shitheels. Start following the real beliefs and teachings of the compassionate Jesus you profess to embrace instead of couching your hateful shittery in a cloak of smug regret and martyrism (I made a word!) that the antiquated bigotry you masturbate to is no longer permissible except to other assholes in your human centipede of intolerance. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/2 "2015-07-02T15:02:21Z")
Do they share any beliefs about covering up kiddy-fiddling? It seems to me that if Catholics would like to speak with one voice, then they have bigger fish to fry than who gets married to whom. ---
**Author:** ![CinnamonBabka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bbce88/32.png) [@CinnamonBabka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CinnamonBabka)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/3 "2015-07-02T16:30:46Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Start following the real beliefs and teachings of the compassionate Jesus you profess to embrace… Daily reminder: What Jesus would do includes [flipping tables and chasing people off with a whip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleansing_of_the_Temple). ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/4 "2015-07-02T16:38:14Z")
> [@CinnamonBabka](#): > > Daily reminder: What Jesus would do includes [flipping tables and chasing people off with a whip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleansing_of_the_Temple). Hey, as long as there’s a safeword… ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/5 "2015-07-02T16:41:45Z")
Catholic marriage can certainly remain between a man and a woman. That has fuck all to do with what a legal marriage is. Catholic marriage is not equal to Protestant marriage is not equal to Baptist marriage is not equal to Hindu marriage is not equal to Islamic marriage is not equal to government marriage. ---
**Author:** ![cerberus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cerberus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cerberus)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/6 "2015-07-02T16:42:49Z")
They can have their beliefs, I respect the imperative of religious groups to define and regulate their internal notions of marriage-as-sacrament. Fine. But they can sod off when they want to ignore the more vastly substantive mundane aspects of marriage-as-big-ass-binding-bundle-of-rights-and-procedures. The issue of marriage as a practical matter is that of bundled civil law - and that common bundle must not be held hostage by religious dogma. You can regulate your internal religious marriages, but you cannot govern others … ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/7 "2015-07-02T17:01:22Z")
> [@CinnamonBabka](#): > > Daily reminder: What Jesus would do includes [flipping tables and chasing people off with a whip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleansing_of_the_Temple). Jesus be all like (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ ---
**Author:** ![CinnamonBabka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bbce88/32.png) [@CinnamonBabka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CinnamonBabka)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/8 "2015-07-02T17:02:56Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Jesus be all like (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ The Settlers of Catan encourages good Christian behavior. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/9 "2015-07-02T20:00:39Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Do they share any beliefs about covering up kiddy-fiddling? I dunno if this was an autocorrect for “diddling”, but using that as a euphemism gives a hilarious mental image. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/10 "2015-07-02T20:06:23Z")
> [@CinnamonBabka](#): > > Daily reminder: What Jesus would do includes [flipping tables and chasing people off with a whip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleansing_of_the_Temple). And yet the more direct action focused progressives don’t latch on to him as a champion of the people against corporatists and bankers. He needs to fire his current PR team. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/11 "2015-07-02T22:28:26Z")
> [@CinnamonBabka](#): > > Daily reminder: What Jesus would do includes [flipping tables and chasing people off with a whip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleansing_of_the_Temple). Those money-changers sure could have used a stand-your-ground law. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/12 "2015-07-02T23:25:54Z")
> [@CinnamonBabka](#): > > Daily reminder: What Jesus would do includes [flipping tables and chasing people off with a whip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleansing_of_the_Temple). What can you expect? the man was a convicted criminal. His behaviour was suspect from the start. I blame the parents. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2015, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/13 "2015-07-03T01:27:17Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > What can you expect? the man was a convicted criminal. His behaviour was suspect from the start. I blame the parents. He had two dads, you know. That never works out well. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2015, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/14 "2015-07-03T01:39:46Z")
Someone needs to slap them bigots silly!! That was painful to watch. But it’s kind of heartening, in a way, that we’re at the point where people feel they are in a minority if they don’t support SSM. What a crazy reversal in so short a time!! I bet this ends up being like abortion-- Catholics are split pretty much like the rest of the population in being pro and anti. American Catholics are all about the Cafeteria, and that’s gotta scare the Church establishment. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2015, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/15 "2015-07-03T02:11:17Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > That was painful to watch. Just two clicks away is [Kids React to Gay Marriage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TJxnYgP6D8), which is not only funny, it demonstrates how doomed the anti-SSM view is. Well, the girl in the glittered-up green shirt with the hearts on it didn’t quite get the concept, but she also didn’t get why anybody would be mad about it. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2015, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/16 "2015-07-03T04:36:50Z")
“Sniffle - I have gay friends, and I love them! But they keep acting like they have …like…full rights, like a real person! I mean, I love them, but why do they think they have the legal right to marry the one they love? And I am just so worried that people will think of less of me (sob) for thinking less of them!” ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2015, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/17 "2015-07-03T06:01:22Z")
I’m so glad to hear that that one guy not only has gay friends, but he isn’t afraid of them. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2015, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/18 "2015-07-03T06:06:48Z")
Suppose a gay couple gets married and then converts to Catholicism. Would the Catholic church want them to get a divorce? ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2015, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/19 "2015-07-03T07:29:13Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > she also didn’t get why anybody would be mad about it. This is what it comes down to: The Conservative Catholics (by which I mean Catholics with views associated with Conservatives in the USA, not whatever theologically important definition that phrase may have) are aliens to young people as far as this issue goes. They don’t have enough in common with the majority of the youth to establish successful communication. They’ve lost the “Because I Said So” Mandate, which has always underpinned their arguments before, so their arguments are too weak to stand without it: Before, whether or not you were Catholic or even especially religious, you accepted that the religious authorities had the moral right to decide what morality was; if a priest, a pastor, and a rabbi all walked into a TV station to say something was wrong, nobody thought it was a joke. It was only right and proper to listen to them, as traditional morality trumped the ability of minorities to live as full adult human beings. Now that’s going away. Among some age groups, it’s never exited. Without the Mandate, they can still use religious arguments, but those only work if the listener has recognizably the same theology as the speaker. If the listener doesn’t, or doesn’t have any theology at all, they fall flat, like explaining the infield fly rule to someone who doesn’t care about baseball: It might be interesting, but it lacks any moral suasion. So the old people will rant and rail at the young people, and the young people will do the cruelest thing imaginable: Shrug their shoulders, pat them on the head, and politely fail to understand the basis of their arguments. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2015, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/20 "2015-07-03T07:35:48Z")
They participate in ritual cannibalism (eww, icky!), why should I care what they think about marriage regulations? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042.md?page=2)