# CatholicVote.org. Need to Shut Up **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2015, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042 "2015-07-02T14:35:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/81 "2015-07-15T18:04:51Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I think it is. Now what? So saying non-Catholic people can’t get married in a Catholic ceremony is religious discrimination? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/82 "2015-07-15T18:15:23Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > So saying non-Catholic people can’t get married in a Catholic ceremony is religious discrimination? The RCC not allowing gay marriage is. Since that’s where you started, saying you don’t want to be considered a bigot for it, that’s what I assumed you were talking about. It’s not religious discrimination for a Catholic marriage to be for Catholics. But it’s homophobic bigotry for a Catholic marriage not to be for gay Catholics. Just as it’s not religious discrimination for Catholic ordination to be for Catholics, but it’s sexist bigotry for Catholic ordination not to be for women Catholics. And no, you’re not likely to get a pass for it socially, which appeared to be what you were asking for. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/83 "2015-07-15T18:58:57Z")
OK, no problem. The OP was complaining about folks who are against secular SSM because of their religious beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/84 "2015-07-15T19:03:17Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > But many many people cannot be married in the Roman Catholic sacrament, for many reasons, and it’s not bigotry. Well, do you have to be Catholic to be married by a Catholic priest? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/85 "2015-07-15T19:04:42Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > So saying non-Catholic people can’t get married in a Catholic ceremony is religious discrimination? Doy. Usually noncatholics don’t give a shit if the church would marry them or not but it’s still discrimination and it’s still religious, ergo religious discrimination. Anytime a good or service is offered to one class of people and not another, that’s discrimination in a linguistic sense, if not a legal one. The point stands, if you don’t want to be a bigot, don’t belong to bigoted organizations. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/86 "2015-07-15T19:13:22Z")
This is nothing but a smokescreen for the evil to exploit the stupid. Could the Forces of Darkness find a gay couple fanatic enough to sue a Baptist minister to try and force him to perform the ceremony? Probably, nothing stops gay people from being stupid. Could they find a lawyer to take their money in a quixotic mission? Sure. Would it work? Of course not. No day, no way, no chance. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/87 "2015-07-15T19:27:13Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > I didn’t say it has changed, I said it could, and I too don’t see it as a big deal. It is a courtesy in the United States that the priest is given the secular power to marry two people for legal purposes. I’m just saying that this could be separated as I believe it is in Europe, and again, not a big deal. I’m sure different European countries do it differently, but in Germany if you are not married in a church you get married in the equivalent of a JP office with only a very few (I think two) guests allowed to attend. Which is why my daughter got married here. She and my son-in-law and my son-in-law’s parents (and us) are all atheists. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/88 "2015-07-16T09:34:36Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > The point stands, if you don’t want to be a bigot, don’t belong to bigoted organizations. Seeing as there are plenty of non-homophobic Catholics, I do not agree. Catholicism is probably the denomination with the most adherents who disagree with the teachings of the Church. I mean, there was this big deal a while back about a priest would would publicly give Eucharist to an explicitly gay sect of Christians. They wore rainbow colored robes while taking Communion, too. Calling yourself Catholic may leave you open to assumptions that you are homophobic, but it doesn’t necessarily mean you really are. ---
**Author:** ![psychonaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psychonaut/32/4655_2.png) [@psychonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychonaut)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/89 "2015-07-16T09:47:36Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Catholicism is probably the denomination with the most adherents who disagree with the teachings of the Church. This has got to rank right up there with voting for political parties whose platforms one doesn’t agree with. Both practices are lamentably commonplace. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/90 "2015-07-16T14:28:34Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Well, do you have to be Catholic to be married by a Catholic priest? You have to get a special dispensation from the local bishop, and your prospective spouse _does_ have to be a Catholic. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/91 "2015-07-16T15:22:47Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Anytime a good or service is offered to one class of people and not another, that’s discrimination in a linguistic sense, if not a legal one. The point stands, if you don’t want to be a bigot, don’t belong to bigoted organizations. When is discrimination bigoted and when is it, well, just discriminatory? That’s the argument that seems to have arisen. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/92 "2015-07-16T15:29:39Z")
(missed edit window) > [@psychonaut](#): > > This has got to rank right up there with voting for political parties whose platforms one doesn’t agree with. Both practices are lamentably commonplace. Some would tell you it’s either that or wind up with seven billion religions and seven billion political parties and get nothing done at all. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/93 "2015-07-16T18:51:26Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I mean, there was this big deal a while back about a priest would would publicly give Eucharist to an explicitly gay sect of Christians. They wore rainbow colored robes while taking Communion, too. “Explicitly gay” meaning they announced the sex they were having? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/94 "2015-07-16T18:55:46Z")
So according to Catholics SSM is wrong but [kidnapping children](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgardo_Mortara) is OK? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/95 "2015-07-16T19:33:53Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > When is discrimination bigoted and when is it, well, just discriminatory? That’s the argument that seems to have arisen. I dunno. At what shade does blue stop being blue and start being green? ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042/96 "2015-07-18T13:28:45Z")
I still dont see what’s so terrific about SSM under Catholic auspices. My own DSM in church wasn’t so memorable. Have the new normals tried excommunication yet? I’d like to try it some day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catholicvote-org-need-to-shut-up/724042.md?page=4)