# Catsix, You're a Moron With a Persecution Complex and I'm Sick of It **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 9, 2004, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959 "2004-08-09T01:06:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/61 "2004-08-09T19:09:34Z")
Oh, bullshit, **catsix**. Let’s just do some copying and pasting from the other thread and see what _exactly_ was said: > [@catsix](#): > > Well, it’s pretty common. **Vegetarians** in this thread have said that they are ‘reducing the suffering’ by ‘not killing the animals to eat them’. See that bolded word? It’s a _plural_. It doesn’t mean _one_ vegetarian, it means _more_ than one. So much for you “only meaning Marley.” I asked you to find a quote of someone calling you an “evil animal killer.” You replied: > [@](#): > > You missed the post that said I, as a meat eater, contribute to the ‘suffering of innocent animals’ did you? **Cockatiel** used the phrase “innocent animals,” not **Marley**. Sounds very much like you were accusing Cockatiel, not Marley, of _judging_ you. You even _quoted_ Cockatiel’s statement and argued with it. You also wrote this: > [@](#): > > Sounds to me like those of us who eat meat are being told we ‘increase suffering’ which is a judgment. You wanna much rabbit food? Fine. But shut up about the damn ‘suffering of animals’ already. Isn’t that saying that _any_ vegetarian who makes any mention of the suffering animals is _judging_ you. Because of course, (here we go again) **IT’S ALL ABOUT YOU.** :rolleyes: They aren’t mentioning the “suffering animals” because it’s, like, their reason for not wanting to eat meat, or it’s a personal choice they’ve decided to make. Oh no. It’s all about **judging YOU**. It’s pretty absurd to try to backflip now and say that you didn’t mean what you obviously meant. ---
**Author:** ![black\_rabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@black\_rabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/62 "2004-08-09T19:09:38Z")
> [@yosemite](#): > > I read certain books that you don’t listen to, just to show you up. I don’t know whether that was intentional or not, but it was great. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/63 "2004-08-09T19:15:23Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > See, that’s where you get me wrong. I don’t think _all vegetarians_ are judging me. I just can’t freaking stand the ones who whine about innocent animals killed by omnivore people. Here, I think, is your problem. An important part of expressing oneself in written form is context. You seem to think context is irrelevant, as long as your words are technically consistent with your opinions, and you believe your opinions are defensible. Context matters. Charging into a thread about “why X group believes Y” and talking about how believing Y for reason Z is really stupid, when no one has yet expressed opinion Z, is confrontational and obnoxious. If you still feel that you must contribute this sort of opinion, it’s not hard to put appropriate qualifiers to prevent misunderstandings and keep the thread from being hijacked. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/64 "2004-08-09T19:17:15Z")
> [@](#): > > **yosemite** said: > See that bolded word? It’s a plural. It doesn’t mean one vegetarian, it means more than one. So much for you “only meaning Marley.” Did I say that before or after you showed up frothing at the mouth at me? > [@](#): > > Cockatiel used the phrase “innocent animals,” not Marley. Sounds very much like you were accusing Cockatiel, not Marley, of judging you. You even quoted Cockatiel’s statement and argued with it. Well then it was **Cockatiel** who started the whole thing about who kills innocent widdwe animals and who doesn’t. It doesn’t much matter to me what the name of the person is, I still think the ‘innocent animals’ argument is lame as hell. > [@](#): > > Isn’t that saying that any vegetarian who makes any mention of the suffering animals is judging you. It means shut the bloody fuck up because it’s tired, old, and really goddamned stupid to keep bleating the same bullshit about the ‘innocent animals’. > [@](#): > > They aren’t mentioning the “suffering animals” because it’s, like, their reason for not wanting to eat meat, or it’s a personal choice they’ve decided to make. I’m sure it makes them feel like wonderful people. It’s still bullshit. You need to calm down. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/65 "2004-08-09T19:22:01Z")
> [@](#): > > **Giraffe** said: > If you still feel that you must contribute this sort of opinion, it’s not hard to put appropriate qualifiers to prevent misunderstandings and keep the thread from being hijacked. And? I said what I think, I used the words ‘too many’ not ‘all’ to describe a specific subset of vegetarians. I don’t see this as my problem. My words are consistent with my opinions. I do not pussy-foot them, nor sugar-coat them. Not my fault that **yosemite** and **Marley** went so apeshit over it. Shit, I thought yosemite was going to have a stroke, and I’m starting to think that again. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/66 "2004-08-09T19:31:01Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > You need to calm down. _She_ needs to calm down? You were the berserking crusader running rampant through a thread where people tried to discuss a subject about which reasonable people may disagree. If anyone were going apeshit or apoplectic, it was you. You’d do well to listen to **Giraffe** ’s advice. That your words are consistent with your opinions is absolutely true, but as he said, context matters. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/67 "2004-08-09T19:40:12Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > Did I say that before or after you showed up frothing at the mouth at me? “Frothing at the mouth”? You absurd person. I am amused, yes. Frustrated by the tired old “those _evvvvviiiiil_ vegetarians are _judging_ me” line, yes. But “frothing”? No. I’m not the one spewing out profanities, m’dear. > [@](#): > > Well then it was **Cockatiel** who started the whole thing about who kills innocent widdwe animals and who doesn’t. It doesn’t much matter to me what the name of the person is, I still think the ‘innocent animals’ argument is lame as hell. “Yeah yeah yeah, I actually said that more than one vegetarian was judging me, and I couldn’t even get the names straight. But that doesn’t matter. Even though, in **my previous post** , I crowed about how you weren’t being ‘accurate,’ when it in fact was me that got all the facts balled up. Never mind, it doesn’t matter how stupid I’m making myself look—all that matters is that you are wrong and I am right, no matter how many stupid statements I make.” Yeah. I get it. > [@](#): > > It means shut the bloody fuck up because it’s tired, old, and really goddamned stupid to keep bleating the same bullshit about the ‘innocent animals’. Oh, you poor dear. Please. I see some spittle at the corner of your mouth. Coud that be (_shudder_) _froth?_ Come on. You think it’s old and tired, you poor sensitive creature, who can’t _bear_ to hear someone else give a reason for their own **personal** dietary choices? Well, look at it from our perspective. There are plenty more of you (omnivores) than there are of us (vegetarians) and we get _faaaar_ more of the “tired old shit” like, the imaginary assumption that all vegetarians are _judging_ you (omnivores), or that we (vegetarians) secretely _really_ want to eat meat, or that “Plants have feelings too, nya nya nya.” We get far more crap than you’ll ever _dream_ of getting, so just stop your thin-skinned whining. Sheesh. Give me a freakin’ break. > [@](#): > > I’m sure it makes them feel like wonderful people. It’s still bullshit. Oh, you poor delicate creature. And perhaps they feel that they are _better_ than you, too! I mean, even though they don’t say it or think it or anything, I’m _sure_ they really do judge **YOU**. You fragile thing—how _do_ you take such grievous (cough_imaginary_cough) treatment? :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > You need to calm down. You are truly amusing. _This_ coming from the one spewing profanity and getting more and more agitated. Truly amusing. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/68 "2004-08-09T19:43:27Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > Shit, I thought yosemite was going to have a stroke, and I’m starting to think that again. So being very amused and having a _lot_ of fun parodying you looks like “having a stroke”? And getting more and more angry, using more and more profanity, that somehow is the ultimate of calmness? Wow. This thread is getting more and more entertaining all the time. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/69 "2004-08-09T19:48:46Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > And? I said what I think, I used the words ‘too many’ not ‘all’ to describe a specific subset of vegetarians. I don’t see this as my problem. This _is_ your problem. In the context of that thread, criticizing the behavior of “too many vegetarians” reads as an attack on all vegetarians who hold similar opinions. The tone of your posts in that thread sounds like you think most vegetarians are stupid and you don’t care if the vegetarians in that thread think you’re talking about them or not. If that’s not what you were trying to say, it is incumbent on you to communicate more clearly. In my opinion, you could and should do this by being more aware of the context in which you’re posting. If you don’t care about saying things in such a way that most reasonable people will interpret them as being insulting and obnoxious, well then get used to people thinking you’re an asshole and starting Pit threads about you. For good reason, since that’s pretty much the dictionary definition of being an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/70 "2004-08-09T19:51:11Z")
Typo: change “similar opinions” to “_remotely_ similar opinions” in the first sentence of my last post. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/71 "2004-08-09T19:57:56Z")
> [@](#): > > **Priceguy** said: > She needs to calm down? You were the berserking crusader running rampant through a thread where people tried to discuss a subject about which reasonable people may disagree. You are aware that the parody she wrote wasn’t actually my words, aren’t you? > [@](#): > > **yosemite** said: > But “frothing”? No. I’m not the one spewing out profanities, m’dear. I use a lot of profanity. You, however, seem to be using a lot of emotion. > [@](#): > > "Yeah yeah yeah, I actually said that more than one vegetarian was judging me, and I couldn’t even get the names straight. I made a mistake on who said what. That happens when I’m paying attention to other things in addition to posting. > [@](#): > > We get far more crap than you’ll ever dream of getting, so just stop your thin-skinned whining. Sheesh. Give me a freakin’ break Like some nails? I don’t need them, and you’re clearly upset over who gets more shit on a daily basis. > [@](#): > > You fragile thing—how do you take such grievous (cough_imaginary_cough) treatment? Weren’t you just whining about how you as a vegetarian get more shit on a daily basis because more of the world is omnivores? > [@](#): > > This coming from the one spewing profanity and getting more and more agitated. Profanity is a normal part of my vocabulary. It has fuck-all to do with ‘agitation’. > [@](#): > > So being very amused and having a lot of fun parodying you looks like “having a stroke”? You seem to devote a lot of energy to me. > [@](#): > > **Giraffe** said: > This is your problem. It’s really not a problem for me. > [@](#): > > In my opinion, you could and should do this by being more aware of the context in which you’re posting. I don’t think I missed anything. The thread was about vegetarians, my post was about some vegetarians. Now, a couple people are all in my shit for ‘taking things too personally’ when, oddly enough, that’s exactly what they did when they assumed I just _had to be_ talking about them. I’m well aware that not everybody’s posts are about me. Course doesn’t seem they are aware that not all my posts are specifically about them, so they get all tweaked and start making really wild parodies. There’s nothing I can do about that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/72 "2004-08-09T20:13:29Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > I use a lot of profanity. You, however, seem to be using a lot of emotion. Yes, I suppose that “highly amused” is an emotion. 😉 > [@](#): > > I made a mistake on who said what. That happens when I’m paying attention to other things in addition to posting. Oh, honey, you made more than a few. You also made the mistake of _pretending_ that you were “accurate.” But never mind. Excuses, excuses, excuses. > [@](#): > > Like some nails? I don’t need them, Oh please. After reading the thread in GD and the previous one (that someone linked to here), it’s quite _obvious_ that you think that all those mean veggies are out ta getcha. 😉 > [@](#): > > and you’re clearly upset over who gets more shit on a daily basis. Do I hijack threads in the way that you have (more than once) to whine? No. I am merely stating a fact about the kind of stuff that vegetarians get. I’m not the only vegetarian that can attest to this. It’s just something that goes on. > [@](#): > > Profanity is a normal part of my vocabulary. It has fuck-all to do with ‘agitation’. But _angry_ profanity has everything to do with “agitation.” > [@](#): > > You seem to devote a lot of energy to me. I type very fast and I derive a great deal of enjoyment from noting your follies. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Balduran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cc9497/32.png) [@Balduran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balduran)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/73 "2004-08-09T20:14:22Z")
Huh. I guess there’s really not much more that can be said. I will just have to keep in mind from now on that catsix is not actually participating in the debate but arguing with the strawman in the corner. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/74 "2004-08-09T20:40:19Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > Yeah, I have a lot of likes that are bad for me. I smoke, too. And I pay for it when I eat or drink stuff that’s carb laden, a lot like my sister who is now sans-gallbladder pays for it when she eats pork. > > Carbs like that are treats, not daily things. I’m generally fucked up after sushi because of all the rice, but I still love it and suffer. > > Only **Marley** , and only after he took my post saying that the only type of intolerable vegetarians are the proselytizing kind personally. > See, that’s where you get me wrong. I don’t think _all vegetarians_ are judging me. I just can’t freaking stand the ones who whine about innocent animals killed by omnivore people. > > Guess it’s easier to write your parodies if you don’t have to be accurate? \*\*\* Hijack\*\*\* Don’t mean to interrupt the festivities, but you mentioned something about pork and no gall bladder. Is there some connecttion there? My husband has no gall bladder and he is randomly getting sick. We have not narrowed it down to a certain food or activity (sometimes it is immediate, sometimes hours/days; so we can’t know). Why is that pork would be so unique to the gall bladder? \*\*\* Sorry, end Hijack, resume rebuttals over vegeterianism, persecution and the death of small furry little creatures (pausing only to let me know if I should tell my hubby to cut out pork)\*\*\* ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/75 "2004-08-09T20:49:55Z")
This thread is funny. Pass the tofu please. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/76 "2004-08-09T21:02:18Z")
> [@](#): > > **Lissa** said: > Don’t mean to interrupt the festivities, but you mentioned something about pork and no gall bladder. Is there some connecttion there? My husband has no gall bladder and he is randomly getting sick. We have not narrowed it down to a certain food or activity (sometimes it is immediate, sometimes hours/days; so we can’t know). Why is that pork would be so unique to the gall bladder? She eats a lot of pork, and specifically likes the fat on the pork, which for whatever reason her doctor told her would probably lead to her getting diahrrea if she continued to eat pork the way she normally did. So, sis eats pork, and sis gets the shits. I don’t know medically why it happens, but it happens every time. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/77 "2004-08-09T21:22:48Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > She eats a lot of pork, and specifically likes the fat on the pork, which for whatever reason her doctor told her would probably lead to her getting diahrrea if she continued to eat pork the way she normally did. > > So, sis eats pork, and sis gets the shits. > > I don’t know medically why it happens, but it happens every time. That makes perfect sense. It’s not the pork per se, it’s the fat. Without a gall bladder, your sister’s body isn’t producing bile, so she can’t digest heavy fats properly. [Here’s](http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/surgery/clin/gi/gallblad.html) a site that explains in simple language how the gall bladder works on fat. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/78 "2004-08-09T21:34:55Z")
So if she didn’t insist on eating the fattiest pieces of pork imaginable, she probably wouldn’t stink up the shitter for the better part of a day? I only thought of the pork cause sis hates beef. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/79 "2004-08-09T22:54:18Z")
**Catsix** , I hope that you will let us know when you are agitated for real. Maybe you can use an asterisk or underlining or something so that we can distinguish a teasing or casual use of such phrases as… > [@](#): > > It means shut the bloody fuck up because it’s tired, old, and really goddamned stupid to keep bleating the same bullshit about the ‘innocent animals’. …from those times when you are truly offended. Of course, if you really _want_ to appear to be “annoying stupid or foolish” (_Webster’s_ definition of a “jerk”) by conveying a state of mind which you really _don’t_ feel (in this case, “aggitation”), then that is another matter. But unless there is something new and different and tangible to indicate that you are serious in your comments, I will assume that you are just joshing and enjoying the fun of profanity. Here’s a new one from the two year old son of a friend: “Fuck Bubble!” Wish I’d thought of that one… ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959/80 "2004-08-09T23:27:25Z")
> [@](#): > > **[dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com)** said: > hy·per·bo·le ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-pûrb-l) > n. > > ``` > A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton. > > ``` Just picture Dennis Leary reading that last quote. It’s like anger, but it’s not really anger, it’s all exaggerated for the comedic effect. Of course, like Chris Knight’s thousand-naked-women-throwing-little-pickles, I seem to be the only one who doesn’t take every word I say seriously. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catsix-youre-a-moron-with-a-persecution-complex-and-im-sick-of-it/258959.md?page=5)