# CBEscappe is unfamiliar with honesty **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 11, 2006, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582 "2006-01-11T23:38:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Good\_Egg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/96bed5/32.png) [@Good\_Egg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Good_Egg)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/81 "2006-01-12T05:10:46Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Lemme 'splain: > > . Oh, that was Goood. splain Loocy! ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/82 "2006-01-12T05:12:36Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > Actually another poster said that the definition I was using to make my case was invalid. That’s right, it was. (You’re really having trouble with this whole “thinking” thang, aintcha?) But you supported it. Now we see that when it applies to you, you don’t support it. So I ask, were you merely pretending to hold that definition in order to ‘bait the Gringos’? And as soon as it’s time to play ‘bait the Gringos’ in another thread, you adopt a totally different definition. > [@CBEscapee](#): > > My argument on racism on the other thread , according to people here was completely false and dishonest. It was. And the fact that you claim to believe it was valid, but refuse to apply it to yourself if it gives you a chance to piss people off speaks volumes. > [@CBEscapee](#): > > Now I’m hearing that my information is valid. Don’t worry, your hearing that is much like your reading that the tunnel was only in the United States. > [@CBEscapee](#): > > I quoted an American source and that source says: > > ““U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security, said the tunnel ended in a strip of vacant land near a parking lot on the U.S. side.”” Yes, it **started** in Mexico and **ended** in the United States, as your own cite said. > [@CBEscapee](#): > > Now who is the moron? Both now, before and in the future, it’d be you. > [@CBEscapee](#): > > Can I expect an apology for calling me a liar? You are a liar. Or do you have proof yet that I’m a bigot? Or that the tunnel was only in America? Liar. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/83 "2006-01-12T05:13:18Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > Yeah your sense of entitlement is famous round the world. “But, but why are you arresting me? I’m American for Crist’s sake! Call the Embassy. I demand my rights” Sense of entitlement?!? You mean the free health care and education granted illegal aliens? I wouldn’t mind the year-round warm weather of Mexico. Just let me know which government agency I need to contact so I can drive down tomorrow. Massive government benefits while paying nothing into the tax base? Sign me up, baby. I’m there! ---
**Author:** ![Good\_Egg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/96bed5/32.png) [@Good\_Egg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Good_Egg)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/84 "2006-01-12T05:14:44Z")
I, for a hundred, am not going to miss this one when hes gone. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/85 "2006-01-12T05:16:32Z")
> [@Good Egg](#): > > I, for a hundred, am not going to miss this one when hes gone. You neither, eh? I am, however, slightly disapointed that he most likely won’t last until the “Anti-Doper 2006” thread. ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/86 "2006-01-12T05:17:16Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > You people? What a racist! You called me a racist for using those words. > [@duffer](#): > > why do you people hy would you want to move here? But now you use them yourself. Oh the hypocasy. Douchebag! ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/87 "2006-01-12T05:17:35Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > I quoted an American source and that source says: > > ““U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security, said the tunnel ended in a strip of vacant land near a parking lot on the U.S. side.”” > > Now who is the moron? Can I expect an apology for calling me a liar? Dude, this is unspeakably lame. You do understand that for a tunnel to be of any use it has to have _two_ ends, don’t you? And if it ends in the U.S. then that must be the destination? And, as has been repeatedly demonstrated, that it started in Mexico? Back away from the peyote and get a grip. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/88 "2006-01-12T05:19:24Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > You neither, eh? > I am, however, slightly disapointed that he most likely won’t last until the “Anti-Doper 2006” thread. Huh. I thought this would have auto-triggered the thread. Can someone wake the hamsters from the winter stupor? These boards really are going to shit. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/89 "2006-01-12T05:19:58Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > Back away from the peyote and get a grip. Hah! That actually took my annoyance with this schmuck down a few pegs. Now I’m picturing him as tripped out of his gourd swaying back and forth and babbling about America, immigration and how everybody is a racist gringo. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/90 "2006-01-12T05:21:38Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > You called me a racist for using those words. > > But now you use them yourself. Oh the hypocasy. Douchebag! Christ, you really are dense, aren’t you? This has taken a sudden turn from amusing to flat out sad. I actually feel sorry for you. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/91 "2006-01-12T05:22:01Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Huh. I thought this would have auto-triggered the thread. Can someone wake the hamsters from the winter stupor? These boards really are going to shit. 😃 ~laughter~ **JR** pointed this out in the other Pit trainwreck, but it deserves repeating. Our racist, lying OP seems to have the ability to bring together Dopers from every corner of the political spectrum and unite them… in loathing him. That has to be worth something. ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/92 "2006-01-12T05:23:23Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Don’t worry, your hearing that is much like your reading that the tunnel was only in the United States. > > You are a liar. Or do you have proof yet that I’m a bigot? Or that the tunnel was only in America? > Liar. [Aquí está](http://www.frontera.info/edicionenlinea/notas/noticias/20060111/98091.asp) "El túnel que se localizó en San Ysidro a la altura de la zona del Chaparral en Tijuana no logra cruzar la frontera de México informó José Márquez Padilla, administrador de la Aduana en esta ciudad. De acuerdo a las investigaciones que han hecho las autoridades de EU ya se corroboró que el túnel no tiene salida en territorio mexicano." ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/93 "2006-01-12T05:25:25Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Christ, you really are dense, aren’t you? This has taken a sudden turn from amusing to flat out sad. I actually feel sorry for you. Why am I a bigot for using the same fucking exact words that you use but you aren’t? You are fucking pathological. ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/94 "2006-01-12T05:29:10Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > [Aquí está](http://www.frontera.info/edicionenlinea/notas/noticias/20060111/98091.asp) > > "El túnel que se localizó en San Ysidro a la altura de la zona del Chaparral en Tijuana no logra cruzar la frontera de México informó José Márquez Padilla, administrador de la Aduana en esta ciudad. > > De acuerdo a las investigaciones que han hecho las autoridades de EU ya se corroboró que el túnel no tiene salida en territorio mexicano." **CBE** , what would be the point of such a tunnel that begins and ends on U.S. soil? ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/95 "2006-01-12T05:34:32Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Sense of entitlement?!? > > You mean the free health care and education granted illegal aliens? > > I wouldn’t mind the year-round warm weather of Mexico. Just let me know which government agency I need to contact so I can drive down tomorrow. Massive government benefits while paying nothing into the tax base? Sign me up, baby. I’m there! Actually it is very easy for foreigners to come to Mexico to live. Several hundred thousand make Mexico their full time home. There aren’t any quotas. You can make use of free health care at the _Centro de Salud_ or you can sign up for public health care through the Mexican Institute of Social Security for less than 400usd a year. Other than that you can lead a tax free existence and no one will bother you. Your kids will be allowed to attend public school for free as guaranteed by the Constitution. Need a job? I can put you to work herding goats. People her may find that odd but no one will pay much attention. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/96 "2006-01-12T05:35:04Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > [Aquí está](http://www.frontera.info/edicionenlinea/notas/noticias/20060111/98091.asp) > > "El túnel que se localizó en San Ysidro a la altura de la zona del Chaparral en Tijuana no logra cruzar la frontera de México informó José Márquez Padilla, administrador de la Aduana en esta ciudad. > > De acuerdo a las investigaciones que han hecho las autoridades de EU ya se corroboró que el túnel no tiene salida en territorio mexicano." From the CNN link– > [@](#): > > (CNN) – U.S. border patrol agents investigating a caved-in road discovered a tunnel linking the United States and Mexico, the third such passage found in three years near the San Ysidro, California, crossing, authorities said Wednesday. Feel free to explain how a tunnel can link two countries but begin and end in only one of them. You will be more persuasive if you argue in English. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/97 "2006-01-12T05:35:14Z")
See, now there you go. You definitely read better in Spanish. Now we have a cite that actually contradicts your first one and, incidentally, everything that I have read to this point. I knew you could come up with a debate somewhere in this trainwreck of a thread. I want you to think about this and get back to me: Is your source credible? Does it make sense for someone to dig an elaborate tunnel, 35 feet long, 3 feet tall, and 3 feet wide, right by the border but not across it? What is it there for, so that they can get across the border by some other means, climb into a tunnel that gets them 35 feet of secrecy, and then go out the other end after the danger has long since been dispensed with? I doubt it. Your source sounds like Baghdad Bob, denying that anything is wrong even as US troops are running across the screen behind him. It’s just not believable. So, would you care to debate that point rationally? ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/98 "2006-01-12T05:36:58Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > **CBE** , what would be the point of such a tunnel that begins and ends on U.S. soil? Now really updike, how would I know? It doesn’t make sense but that doesn’t mean it’s not true. Maybe they figured that nobody would be watching for one dug from the US side. ---
**Author:** ![Good\_Egg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/96bed5/32.png) [@Good\_Egg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Good_Egg)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/99 "2006-01-12T05:37:53Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > Need a job? I can put you to work herding goats. . May the felching begin ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582/100 "2006-01-12T05:39:48Z")
Machine translation is always suspect but, since our friend doesn’t see fit to post in English: “The tunnel that was located in San Ysidro to the height of the zone of the Chaparral in Tijuana does not manage to cross the border of Mexico informed Jose Márquez Padilla, administrator of the Customs in this city. According to the investigations that have done the EU authorities already were corroborated that the tunnel does not have exit in Mexican territory.” Okay, so a Mexican source I’ve never heard of says that the tunnel is short of the border. Why should I trust it over the AP? For all I know, your source is the equivalent of the New York Post or the Washington Times. Speaking of tunnels, it looks like they found another one near Nogales. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbescappe-is-unfamiliar-with-honesty/339582.md?page=6)