# CBS reflects on its complicity in Clinton's loss **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 11, 2016, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503 "2016-11-11T15:05:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/241 "2016-11-16T01:04:43Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Certainly a big reason Trump won is because too many progressives bought into RW media about how Hillary is the devil. > > The fucking Bros forwarded Brightbart and WND links like they were from on high, because if they made Clinton look bad, it made Bernie look better by comparison. > > When she was attacked on both sides, she couldn’t muster excitement. The Bernie supporters are to blame, because of their stupid lies about the evils of the Clinton Foundation, the lies about stealing the primary, the lies about her Wall Street speeches. > > There are a lot of reasons that people didn’t vote for Clinton, but the Bros acting as a LW mirror for RW hatchetjobs gotta be near the forefront. > > Also, if you think Bernie would have won the general, that’s on the level of believing crackers turn into Jesus. It’s faith-based nonsense. Bernie hadn’t been attacked by the RW. Everyone looks spiffy if no one has the ugly lights turned on them. And right here we have proof that the Clintons’ smear campaign worked. There’s not a single thing in here that’s true. Nothing. Keep digging, though. I hope you like the hole the Democrats will be in in 2018 if you keep buying the Oligarchs’ filth and they keep losing elections. I swear to god, I have no idea what it will take for some of you people to open your eyes and see that the Clinton way is what keeps **losing**. Obama beat her in 2008 because he offered a departure from the status quo (even if he turned out to be just as bad). He won again in 2012 because people still believed he was trying to make a difference and the only thing holding him back was Republican opposition. But with Clinton’s BFF Debbie Wasserman Schultz leading the Party for midterm elections in 2010 and 2014, running establishment candidates all across the country, **we lost even more ground**. And now, when they propped up an actual Clinton – not just her ideologies, but she, herself – **the country rejected her again**. Soundly. And I don’t care about the popular vote. That’s only a result of the major city centers in the biggest states with the largest concentration of people in them. The vast majority of the country said no. Loudly and clearly. The Clintons’ Third Way is dead. As well it should be; it was poison. ---
**Author:** ![Darwins\_Finch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darwins_finch/32/20304_2.png) [@Darwins\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darwins_Finch)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/242 "2016-11-16T01:32:05Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > I swear to god, I have no idea what it will take for some of you people to open your eyes and see that the Clinton way is what keeps **losing**. It’s fascinating how much you sound exactly like those you rail against. Remember this? > [@](#): > > She got exactly what she deserved for looking down her nose at the very voters she’d need to become president. Bernie and/or his Progressive successor will need more than the current batch of Bernie supporters to become president, too. If berating and scolding didn’t work to convince you, it’s not going to work to convince them, either. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/243 "2016-11-16T01:45:25Z")
Oh so my _tone_ bothers you? As Hillary would say, that’s sexist. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/244 "2016-11-16T01:47:26Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > …But that doesn’t make it true. More people wanted Clinton to be President than wanted Trump to be President, and the votes reflect that. > > (By the way, I doubt that your contempt for democracy is as persuasive a position as you seem to think it is.) (post shortened) I understand that it’s important for the Hillary worshippers to sooth their damaged egos by claiming that Hillary received more national/total votes than Trump, but that count has never, ever, been the deciding factor when it comes to deciding the winner of a Presidential election. And Team Hillary was well aware of that fact even if her devoted followers aren’t. Hillary failed to reach even the minimum number of votes required to be declared POTUS. Sucks to be Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/245 "2016-11-16T02:07:37Z")
> [@Darwins\_Finch](#): > > …Bernie and/or his Progressive successor will need more than the current batch of Bernie supporters to become president, too. If berating and scolding didn’t work to convince you, it’s not going to work to convince them, either. (post shortened) This is good. You’re starting to get the idea. Now you need to convince the DNC, Team Hillary, and the LSM to stop denigrating the very voters they need(ed) in order to elect a Democrat President. Or not. It may be a tough job since I suspect that many Bernie supporters, Republicans, conservatives, and independents already ignore the chastising from the Democrat collective. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/246 "2016-11-16T02:45:54Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > And right here we have proof that the Clintons’ smear campaign worked. > > There’s not a single thing in here that’s true. Nothing. > > Keep digging, though. I hope you like the hole the Democrats will be in in 2018 if you keep buying the Oligarchs’ filth and they keep losing elections. > > I swear to god, I have no idea what it will take for some of you people to open your eyes and see that the Clinton way is what keeps **losing**. > > Obama beat her in 2008 because he offered a departure from the status quo (even if he turned out to be just as bad). He won again in 2012 because people still believed he was trying to make a difference and the only thing holding him back was Republican opposition. > > But with Clinton’s BFF Debbie Wasserman Schultz leading the Party for midterm elections in 2010 and 2014, running establishment candidates all across the country, **we lost even more ground**. > > And now, when they propped up an actual Clinton – not just her ideologies, but she, herself – **the country rejected her again**. Soundly. > > And I don’t care about the popular vote. That’s only a result of the major city centers in the biggest states with the largest concentration of people in them. The vast majority of the country said no. Loudly and clearly. > > The Clintons’ Third Way is dead. As well it should be; it was poison. This is the delusional nonsense that won the race for Trump. Bernie progressives got so excited for him that they vapidly gulped down the worst drek from the RW media machine. You have no idea what you’re talking about. The things you’re saying are colored by internalizing misinformation. Ranting about \*the oligarchs \*isn’t substantive policy, it’s shit you’re saying that sounds cool. Clinton wasn’t perfect, but she was better than Bernie. Bernie wouldn’t be able to get shit done, Clinton had a shot to keep us improving. But because of the kind of horseshit you’re promulgating above, we got Trump walking us back a decade. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/247 "2016-11-16T02:49:50Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > And I don’t care about the popular vote… The vast majority of the country said no. Loudly and clearly. Um, okay then … 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/248 "2016-11-16T03:01:26Z")
I was walking down the street, and an OLIGARCH jumped out of the bushes at me. I was only able to ward him off with a Bernie bobble-head I keep secreted in my love pocket. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/249 "2016-11-16T03:04:36Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > This is the delusional nonsense that won the race for Trump. Bernie progressives got so excited for him that they vapidly gulped down the worst drek from the RW media machine. > > You have no idea what you’re talking about. The things you’re saying are colored by internalizing misinformation. Ranting about \*the oligarchs \*isn’t substantive policy, it’s shit you’re saying that sounds cool. Clinton wasn’t perfect, but she was better than Bernie. Bernie wouldn’t be able to get shit done, Clinton had a shot to keep us improving. But because of the kind of horseshit you’re promulgating above, we got Trump walking us back a decade. Bernie supporters weren’t listening to the Trump campaigners. They watched the DNC and Team Hillary submarine Bernie’s campaign. Some of them may have chosen to vote for Hillary. Others may have chosen to vote for Trump, Johnson, or just stay home. You think Hillary is cool and that’s fine. Unfortunately for you, Hillary couldn’t get the job done. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/250 "2016-11-16T03:07:09Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I was walking down the street, and an OLIGARCH jumped out of the bushes at me. I was only able to ward him off with a Bernie bobble-head I keep secreted in my love pocket. You’re not talking about politics anymore, are you? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/251 "2016-11-16T03:33:38Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I was walking down the street, and an OLIGARCH jumped out of the bushes at me. I was only able to ward him off with a Bernie bobble-head I keep secreted in my love pocket. No mocking of erstwhile allies, I see. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/252 "2016-11-16T03:46:39Z")
From the general sequence of exchanges in this thread I think I see it likely that by the time of 2018 midterms even if the voters are by then pissed off at Don and Mike and Paul and Reince my party’s main offering is still going to be _“we’re not THEM”_. Because we’ll still be mostly dedicated to getting on each other’s faces as to who was more deluded and whose fault is it. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/253 "2016-11-16T03:47:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No mocking of erstwhile allies, I see. I supported Bernie in the primary, because I hoped it signaled that the US was ready to step into the first world. I like Bernie, much like I’d probably like Jesus. His fans are the ones causing the problems. Bernie wasn’t the problem (although he fed the persecution misinformation by not addressing it, IMHO). The problem is people on the left mindlessly accepting the misinformation campaign of the right. It’s bad enough that the RW is under its sway. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/254 "2016-11-16T03:48:23Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > From the general sequence of exchanges in this thread I think I see it likely that by the time of 2018 midterms even if the voters are by then pissed off at Don and Mike and Paul and Reince my party’s main offering is still going to be _“we’re not THEM”_. And we’ll still be on each other’s faces as to who was more deluded and whose fault is it. I hope not. I see Obama as the figurehead of the 2018 world. He’s gonna be able to make a good case that Trump is a clown. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/255 "2016-11-16T03:51:45Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > It’s plain that it’s important to you to believe that. > > But that doesn’t make it true. More people wanted Clinton to be President than wanted Trump to be President, and the votes reflect that. > > (By the way, I doubt that your contempt for democracy is as persuasive a position as you seem to think it is.) Boo hoo. Your irrelevant posts about the popular vote miss the point. Which is to win electoral votes. Not popular votes. This is like crying you can’t castle in checkers but you can in chess. Different games with different rules and victory conditions. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/256 "2016-11-16T03:55:05Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > And right here we have proof that the Clintons’ smear campaign worked. > > There’s not a single thing in here that’s true. Nothing. > > Keep digging, though. I hope you like the hole the Democrats will be in in 2018 if you keep buying the Oligarchs’ filth and they keep losing elections. > > I swear to god, I have no idea what it will take for some of you people to open your eyes and see that the Clinton way is what keeps **losing**. > > Obama beat her in 2008 because he offered a departure from the status quo (even if he turned out to be just as bad). He won again in 2012 because people still believed he was trying to make a difference and the only thing holding him back was Republican opposition. > > But with Clinton’s BFF Debbie Wasserman Schultz leading the Party for midterm elections in 2010 and 2014, running establishment candidates all across the country, **we lost even more ground**. > > And now, when they propped up an actual Clinton – not just her ideologies, but she, herself – **the country rejected her again**. Soundly. > > And I don’t care about the popular vote. That’s only a result of the major city centers in the biggest states with the largest concentration of people in them. The vast majority of the country said no. Loudly and clearly. > > The Clintons’ Third Way is dead. As well it should be; it was poison. Um, no. Clinton was fine policy wise. Charisma wise she’s a bit of a dud. Free trade and pro growth policies are wise. Isolationism is not. But carry on, it’s good to see a political house divided. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/257 "2016-11-16T04:28:21Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I hope not. I see Obama as the figurehead of the 2018 world. He’s gonna be able to make a good case that Trump is a clown. That’s odd. I see Obama joining Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan on a world tour playing golf and chasing women. Obama recently failed to make the case that people should vote for Hillary because Trump was a so-called clown. He won’t have the bully pulpit of the Presidency to boost his image after he leaves office. Figurehead? No. Spokesmodel? Yeah. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/258 "2016-11-16T10:13:06Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Oh so my _tone_ bothers you? > > As Hillary would say, that’s sexist. I sure hope she wouldn’t. Even if you are trying to call out “tone policing,” it’s not inherently sexist. As a feminist, she should know better. Not that anyone is tone policing you. No one has said you are wrong because of how rude you are being. The way you sound like the right wing is in your embracing of conspiracy level thinking. You believe the Republican smear campaign against the Clintons. And you are insisting that going further to the left and away from the center is the way to go, the same way Republicans kept saying that moving to the right was the way to go. It didn’t work for them, and it won’t work for us. Clinton lost because of working class whites in three states. Going further left would not have won them over. The “third way,” which just means being more moderate, is the only viable option in an increasingly divided electorate. The swing voters in swing states decide elections, and they are moderates. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/259 "2016-11-16T10:41:52Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I sure hope she wouldn’t. Even if you are trying to call out “tone policing,” it’s not inherently sexist. As a feminist, she should know better. > > Not that anyone is tone policing you. No one has said you are wrong because of how rude you are being. The way you sound like the right wing is in your embracing of conspiracy level thinking. You believe the Republican smear campaign against the Clintons. > > And you are insisting that going further to the left and away from the center is the way to go, the same way Republicans kept saying that moving to the right was the way to go. It didn’t work for them, and it won’t work for us. > > Clinton lost because of working class whites in three states. Going further left would not have won them over. The “third way,” which just means being more moderate, is the only viable option in an increasingly divided electorate. The swing voters in swing states decide elections, and they are moderates. Many of those people were fanatically impressed by Bernie Sanders’s populism. Many of them wanted a far more leftist tack on economic matters and weren’t impressed by Clinton. I wouldn’t assume it’s as simple as “they’re moderates”, because they just voted for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/260 "2016-11-16T14:49:31Z")
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