Then you’ll have no trouble citing it.
Is having a gun riskier than having a car? Crossing the road? Childbirth?
I, too, would like to see this evidence.
Well we can start with Kellerman, but I’m sure you’re all already familiar with Kellerman and have decided that it’s bunk for some reason or another. So then we can move onto Dahlberg, and Hemenway. But you’re probably familiar with those too and discredited them as well. So now we’re just left to stare at each other while eating cereal.
Kellerman is correct as far as that goes.
If you’re a drug dealer or live with one, or a similar criminal “The use of illicit drugs and a history of physical fights in the home are also important risk factors.” tehn yes, the fact there’s a gun in the house is dangerous.
Note that Kellerman is not talking about a CCW. Nor does he have any numbers about crimes that didn’t occur due to someone carrying or having a gun.
As for Dahlberg some of the same objections- including the fact the the study weighs suicide heavily. Not to mention this :
Although these studies are useful in demonstrating an association between access to firearms and rates of homicide and suicide at the aggregate level, it is not possible with this methodology to adequately assess whether access to a gun increases the risk of a violent death at the individual level.
and: *A number of limitations should be considered when interpreting the findings from this study. First, our study was based on data from death certificates and proxy interviews. …Second, the gun in the home may not have been the gun used in the death. This possibility seems less likely with suicide, but, with homicide, it is certainly plausible that someone brought a gun into the home.
Third, it is possible that the association between a gun in the home and risk of a violent death may be related to other factors that we were unable to control for in our analysis. For instance, with homicide, the association may be related to certain neighborhood characteristics or the decedent’s previous involvement in other violent or illegal behaviors. Persons living in high-crime neighborhoods or involved in illegal behaviors may acquire a gun for protection. The risk comes not necessarily from the presence of the gun in the house but from these types of environmental factors and exposures…Fourth, our analysis was restricted to violent deaths in the home. The dynamics of homicides or suicides occurring in other locations may be very different*. …
and this is so important I bolded it:"Finally, our study focused on fatal outcomes for a sample of decedents. We were unable to ascertain the risk of a nonfatal outcome and were also unable to weigh the risk of a violent death against any protective benefits of gun ownership." and
“Studies of defensive gun use suggest that millions of defensive gun use incidents occur each year by people to protect themselves or their property against assaults, theft, or break-ins (30, 31). … The findings for homicide, while showing an elevated risk, have consistently been more modest. They suggest a need for more research to better distinguish the risk and protective factors associated with guns in the home, including an examination of the risk posed by forces both internal and external to the home.”
So, yeah- if you live with criminals having a gun in the house is not a good idea. It also increases your risk of killing yourself- which IMHO is a basic right.
The point was that the statement needed a cite, not that it was not correct.
Getting out of bed or a chair is a risk factor. And a more common cause of accidental death than firearms. (1 in 4,238 vs 1 in 5,981 for firearms) See? I backed up my statement with a cite. Maybe we should ban cars? (1 in 272)
<Eats a large spoonful of Lucky Charms>