# Cecils answer why H in J H Christ **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 29, 2005, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419 "2005-10-29T03:34:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/21 "2005-11-01T01:33:13Z")
> [@bizzwire](#): > > Does Job mean “The Lord ‘b?’” Well, the Divine Name is said to mean “I Will B What I Will B” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Ammoniac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Sal\_Ammoniac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sal_Ammoniac)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/22 "2005-11-01T02:16:01Z")
> [@DavidWaite](#): > > There have been no errors on MY part. You just don’t know as much about this stuff as I do. David, can I borrow this? It would really come in handy for me. And could you expound a little further on the etymology of “Meh”? ---
**Author:** ![bizzwire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/958977/32.png) [@bizzwire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bizzwire)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/23 "2005-11-01T02:36:31Z")
> [@DavidWaite](#): > > I came across Cecils answer why there is an H in Jesus H Christ at > [http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1\_033](http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_033) > with a link to comment on the answer that brought me here. Personally I don’t know what IHS has to do with JHC, but I am under the impression that H is for Horus. If there was a person who was an inspriration for the Jesus version of Christianity his name was more likely Yeshua and when you combine the Yes of Yeshua with the us of Horus you get Yes-us or as we would say today Jesus. Christianity is a pagan religion. Catholicism wasn’t a mix of a “God’s religion” with paganism. It was a mix of the pagan godman religions that could be referred to as Christianity. Whether or not there was an actual person, Yeshua, that modern Christianity was inspired by, the entire religion itself is founded in paganism, not just the holidays. Pagan meant villager. The pagan religions were the commoner religions. The commoners had been influenced by both Judaism’s mythology and Egyptian mythology. Modern Christianity is more strongly influenced by Egyptian mythology than by the mythology of the Jews. The astronomical events near the time of King Herrod’s death seem to have been the astrological inspiration for the creation of modern Christianity. According to Egyptian mythology Meri who was married to Jo-Sep had a virgin birth of Horus in either a stable or cave amongst animals under a star. Meri and Jo-Sep fled from the evil Serpent Herrut who was opposed to Horus. Now you might see why the astronomical events near the death of the evil king Herrod could begin to inspire the formation of a modern Christian religion. It was probably based on what was originaly a joke(haha that Herrod he must be Herrut!). Meri and Jo-Sep were visited by three maji bearing gifts. That’s where the three comes from in the Christian tradition. Later Horus ascends in status among the gods to inherit the legions of Ra. Thus Horus was a sun god. The sun god or the sun was represented by many by the Celtic cross which may go back as much as 10 thousand years having been originally an actual device used by nomads to navigate based on shadows case by it from the sun. So Horus Christo(Christo was a title for Horus) variations such as Harry Krishna were sometimes depicted as an ascending person in a crucified posture corresponding to the symbol for the rising sun. Krishna is at times depicted as Crucified with an arrow(which is a small spear) piercing his torso the same as Jesus. As far as I can tell the only thing that is unique about the Jesus resurrection-ascension is that he had a crown of thorns. Eventually the Isis religion grew roots in Egypt and given their political practice of Synchrotism they decided to adjust their teaching absorbing the identity of Meri into Isis. Its like telling someone you don’t worship a different god, you just worship the same god by a different name. This way you can unify the religions to gather others into your congregations. The new Osiris-Isis-Horus religion probably the first trinity had Osiris killed by Set(Satan) who was female(so the devils a girl haha kidding) and his body broken and scattered across the land. Isis collected up the parts and resurrected him. Eventually he returns to the underworld but not before impregnating her. As he returned to the underworld he becomes capable of reincarnation and so enters the unborn child who becomes Horus. Thus the son was one with the father. Meri then was both the Mother and wife of Horus through Osiris. So it makes sense that both the mother of Jesus and the alleged wife of Jesus would have the name Mary. The sacrament was instituted by the Egyptians where the broken bread and wine was made into bits of the broken body and blood of Osiris. The resurrecting magic of Isis would then apply to those who took the sacrament to give them eternal life after death. So titles of Horus being Osiris included the way and the life and no one would come to the father but by him. The dying resurrecting godman struck such a popularity with people that surrounding religions even rewrote some of their gods to reflect that very mythology. In fact Egypt wasn’t the only ones practicing Synchrotism. as an example Baccus was rewritten as Dionysus who had traits in common with Osiris and Jesus. So this entire group of dying rising godmen from which Jesus gets his traits are referred to as Osiris-Dionysus for short. Do a web search on that term to find more info than I am giving. Since Jesus is a dying rising sun god made in the fashion of Horus and Methras of course he would be given the winter solstice birthday of such gods. It also makes since then that Christians have him returning from the east and why he would have a similarity to Quetzalcoatl even though so far displaced because Quetzalcoatl was also a sun god. This should explains why Catholicism/Modern Christianity has pagan holidays. Christianity didn’t just incorporate paganism. It IS paganism. Dr. Bronner, have you been drinking again? ---
**Author:** ![Gozu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gozu/32/6615_2.png) [@Gozu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gozu)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/24 "2005-11-01T02:44:30Z")
David, how do you explain the whole mary/miriam/mariam thing ? I’ve noticed that you did not address it in your replies. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/25 "2005-11-01T04:14:49Z")
> [@](#): > > You missed the point. The C wasn’t a mistake of C for Sigma as they knew it would have been Chi. The replasing of Sigma with C or Chi was an intentional change of the initials so that IHC would be a statement that H was an initial for another name of Jesus. HORUS Now you’re just making stuff up. The Chi does not look like either a Sigma (in any form) or the Roman letter C. What does Chi have to do with the name Horus? Chi does not appear in either the Greek or Roman translations of the Egyptian word. I have already provided a link to an ikon in which the Greek sigma was written to look just like the Latin “C.” (There are plenty more. Your claim that they “replaced” sigma with “C” makes no sense unless the letter “C” was added to the Greek alphabet. The only place that a letter that _looks like_ a “C” occured was when the traditional sigma, [symbol] **S** [/symbol], began to be written _ **C** _ (as it was in the photo to which I linked). And you keep dragging _chi_ into the discussion without even explaining where you think you see it. The only demonstration we have seen of Chi is in the ikon to which I linked in which it begins the (abbreviation for) the word [symbol]Cristos[/symbol]. > [@](#): > > In hebrew Jo meant god or lord so Jo-Sep means god Sep. As for a reference try the meaning of all hebrew based names that start with Jo: Actually, it was _Ya_, although in combining forms it occasionally shifted to _Ye_ or _Yo_. Since the letter **J** is a late European invention, neither the Hebrews nor the Egyptians used it. However, even letting that silliness pass, there is no reason to think that an Egyptian or a Hebrew would ever tack a prefix from the other’s language onto one of their names. (As an example, Moses, an Egyptian name, is not found in combined form in Hebrew.) So we find Yoseph (and its earlier uncontracted form Yehoseph), in ancient Hebrew writings, but we do not find Yo-Seb in any Egyptian writings. Your source appears to be simply making it up. > [@](#): > > Yes he is. > “The right eye of Horus, or the Sun, was called the cow of Hathor. In Chapter XVII of the Book of the Dead, the cow Meh-urt, is called ‘the Eye of Ra’ while in Chapter CIX the sun is represented as a spotted calf when Sibu (Seb) its father was a bull and Hathor a heifer.” So you think that picking and choosing separate images from different (and often conflicting) myths establishes your point? You find a reference that in one story one eye of Horus has an independent parent from the rest of Horus and that is supposed to show this direct line of authority down to the first century? By the way, did you happen to notice that the “[authority](http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/ancientlandmarks/EgyptianSymbolsWorship.html)” for your quote is one of the truly notable frauds of the nineteenth century? Before you go relying on any more drivel from supporters of Theosophy, you should probably cross-check the “information” they supply against information provided by actual scholars of Ancient Egypt. I was not going to make an issue of your link to a “New Age” site on the grounds that it is always possible that they have employed some scholarship when creating their stories. However, to draw information directly from a long-disproven fraud does not provide a reputable source for your claims. When you get Madame Blavatsky’s trash out of your posts, we might begin to take you seriously. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/26 "2005-11-01T04:21:28Z")
Dude, you’d have a better chance of convincing me that Christ was actually a goa’uld. And sure, while it’s possible that there was an Egyptian input into Christianity, it’d be mostly Hellenistic by that point. Look at the Gospel of Thomas, for example. A gnostic gospel, nothing but sayings, written in Coptic. And heck, that was probably originally in Greek. The question then, of course, if the Gospel of Thomas had any input into the synoptic gospels or if Thomas came after the synoptic gospels. Another question would be where Thomas was originally written. And yet another question would be if anything else found at Nag Hammadi had any input into early Christian thought. But, yeah, your theory has about as much weight as a theory that Jesus Christ was actually a goa’uld. Actually, my theory is more amusing, as I guess Christ would probably actually be a tok’ra. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/27 "2005-11-01T04:29:10Z")
So the Walrus _isn’t_ Paul? Then why is he barefoot? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/28 "2005-11-01T04:31:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So the Walrus _isn’t_ Paul? Then why is he barefoot? Wait, so if the Walrus isn’t Paul, then who is the Eggman? ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/29 "2005-11-01T04:39:43Z")
And all this without getting into [the Ancient Egyptian/Indus Valley\* spacecraft](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=342439)! - I think they were designed by Harry Krishna. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/30 "2005-11-01T13:21:50Z")
**DavidWaite** –Many parts of your argument do not jibe well with known History or generally accepted Theology. So, instead of altering your argument to suit what we _know_, you decide that it is better to re-write History & Theology to suit your personal notions. That’s just not _valid_, buckaroo. We know you’d like to feel welcome here, and you _are_ welcome, but anger & wild speculation will not make your welcome warmer. Re-think your ideas a bit. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/31 "2005-11-01T20:48:33Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Dude, you’d have a better chance of convincing me that Christ was actually a goa’uld. . That explains the gap from birth to when he started preaching. Though of a noble line, he was born an ordinary human. It was only when he became host to Christos, son of the System Lord Yaweh, that the Gospels resume again. Typical of Goa’uld, Christos attempts to betray and overthrow his father. He begins by getting his father’s First Prime, John the Baptist, to defect. Then, he begins winning the masses to him (“And he jestured, and great rings of stone fell from the sky and there was a great light. The rings vanished and from the empty air had come food enough to feed the masses.” "Christos placed his hands upon the body. His many ornaments glowed like fireflies and clicked and hummed like birds. Christos took from his belt a vial of shining water. He set the vial upon the chest of Lazarus, and the glowing water did vanish. Then, did Lazarus return to the world of the living.). Christos tried to overthrow Yahweh, first by rousing the people to rebellion and usurping his father’s role ("No one comes to the father but through me.), then with armed revolt (“He that has no sword, let him sell his cloak and buy one. Take though these staves of iron for they shall smite our foes with lightning. Hold in your hand these serprents of wrath. They shall strike down our enemies with arrows of light”). This lead Yaweh to have Christos humiliated and killed. However, the centurion j’fa charged with actually destroying the Goa’uld symbiote failed. Driving a spear into the human host’s side, the centurion thought Christo had been slain. J’fa still loyal to Christos were able to retrieve him and place him in a sarcophagus Christo had hidden in case his primary base was compromised. After bioalteration of his elite j’fa (apparently the implantation of a universal translator), Christos vanished. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/32 "2005-11-02T02:18:31Z")
> [@Larry Borgia](#): > > The expression “Jesus H Christ” proves the OP’s hypothesis about as much as the expression “Jesus F—king Christ” proves the hypothesis that JC had children with Mary Magdalene. 🆒 I personally have fallen into the habit of using “Jesus Herbert Walker Christ.” Any takes on what that means? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/33 "2005-11-02T03:52:46Z")
> [@EJsGirl](#): > > 🆒 > I personally have fallen into the habit of using “Jesus Herbert Walker Christ.” Any takes on what that means? > > 😃 Jesus Herbert Walker Christ was okay, but I’m not so hot on Jesus Walker Christ. And you know you’re in trouble if you attract the attention of Walker Christ, Texas Ranger. ---
**Author:** ![DavidWaite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cc9497/32.png) [@DavidWaite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidWaite)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/34 "2005-11-02T03:58:59Z")
> [@spingears](#): > > IF you will take the time to study the Old Testament of the Bible in general and the New Testament in particular with an objective attitude you just might find that most of the self identified “Christian Sects” are just Sects that do not really believe. Just because I am proving Christianity wrong and therein not agreeing with you does not make me less well read. If anything it makes me more so. > [@bizzwire](#): > > Let’s keep it simple, and see what the commonly accepted etymology of “Joseph” is, shall we? Every place I’ve been to uses some derivation of “The Lord Will Increase.” > > Sometimes, things are just as they appear. And in this particular case the appearance is that Joseph referred to the god Seb. > [@bizzwire](#): > > In Hebrew Jo meant god or lord so Jo-Sep means god Sep. As for a reference try the meaning of all Hebrew based names that start with Jo So does “Jonah” mean “The Lord ‘Nah?’” Does Job mean “The Lord ‘b?’” [/quote] It means Job isn’t a name. It is a word meaning persecuted. The story of Job was a parable of the persecuted one. Jonah would be better spelled Joe-nah which meant dove. So apparently you didn’t look at the link. > [@Sal Ammoniac](#): > > David, can I borrow this? It would really come in handy for me. > > And could you expound a little further on the etymology of “Meh”? Sure, and as for Meh: Mehit-Weret meant great flood and was used as the name of the Nile goddess or the water goddess as the Nile would periodically flood. This went to Mehitweret Mehetweret Mehueret, Methyer Mehturt Meh-Urt Meh Meri------------- Merriam, Mirriam Mary > [@Gozu](#): > > David, how do you explain the whole mary/miriam/mariam thing ? I’ve noticed that you did not address it in your replies. What exactly concerning this do you want me to explain? > [@tomndebb](#): > > Now you’re just making stuff up. The Chi does not look like either a Sigma (in any form) or the Roman letter C. … No I’m not and that is my point. They look nothing alike and therefor the replacement wasn’t a mistake! And whether you like it or not god Seb translated to Hebrew and then to English would read Joseph so no, no one is “making it up”. You merely want to believe that because you are grasping at straws. So instead of finding a valid argument you go on to call it drivel etc and try to “trash it out” instead. Try a logic based argument instead of an emotional attack next time. > [@asteron](#): > > Dude, you’d have a better chance of convincing me that Christ was actually a goa’uld. And sure, while it’s possible that there was an Egyptian input into Christianity, it’d be mostly Hellenistic by that point. Look at the Gospel of Thomas, for example. A gnostic gospel, nothing but sayings, written in Coptic. And heck, that was probably originally in Greek. The question then, of course, if the Gospel of Thomas had any input into the synoptic gospels or if Thomas came after the synoptic gospels. Another question would be where Thomas was originally written. And yet another question would be if anything else found at Nag Hammadi had any input into early Christian thought. > > But, yeah, your theory has about as much weight as a theory that Jesus Christ was actually a goa’uld. Actually, my theory is more amusing, as I guess Christ would probably actually be a tok’ra. Ignoring the sarcasm as it does not constitute a logical argument, yes the dying rising god concept of Horus-Osiris did take root in Hellenistic culture. Do a search on Osiris-Dionysus. Jesus was just one of many dying rising gods rooted ultimately in Horus-Osiris. > [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > Many parts of your argument do not jibe well with known History or generally accepted Theology. So, instead of altering your argument to suit what we know, you decide that it is better to re-write History & Theology to suit your personal notions. > > That’s just not valid, buckaroo. > > We know you’d like to feel welcome here, and you are welcome, but anger & wild speculation will not make your welcome warmer. > > Re-think your ideas a bit. There is no speculation or anger on my part. The accusation shows it on yours. My argument jibes just fine with history, just not with your theology which is irrelevant because your theology(mythology) is no more rooted in historical fact than anyone else’s mythology(theology). ---
**Author:** ![DavidWaite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cc9497/32.png) [@DavidWaite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidWaite)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/35 "2005-11-02T04:01:49Z")
It would be nice if we had an edit option. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/36 "2005-11-02T04:27:02Z")
> [@](#): > > Try a logic based argument instead of an emotional attack next time. Regarding the greek letters, I actually posted a _picture_ that supported my assertion and you have still not explained what _Chi_ has to do with Horus, since that letter does not appear in the name. (I really suspect that you would not even recognize a _Chi_ if your favorite tune was set in it.) As to the rest, it appears that you are simply repeating the nonsense spouted by Madame Blavatsky in her ramblings on Theosophy. Here is a clue: _she made it all up_. She had no training in classical literature or religion. She was writing at a time when very little scholarship had been puiblished on those topics, so she could more easily make outrageous statements without being called upon her errors. (Much of the stuf she shoveled into the Theosophy books were “copied” from “lost” books in other languages that appeared to her, floating in the air to allow her to make copies.) If the stuff you culled from _Theosophy_ is correect, it should be easy to discover third-party works of scholarship that support it. Let’s see it. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/37 "2005-11-02T05:01:21Z")
Yeah, how hard is to differentate between a chi and a sigma? A Greek chi looks much like a Roman X. In fact, the uppercase Greek chi looks exactly like an uppercase Roman X and the lowercase Greek chi looks like a lowercase Roman x with a little bit of curvature on the upper-left-to-lower-right stroke. Standard uppercase sigmas look kinda like a stylized E, the lunate sigma does look like a C, and the lowercase sigma is just bizarre, even more so for the symbol used when sigma terminates a lowercase word. And I still don’t understand what you are attempting to argue. The chi was replaced, you say? To make something that looks like a C? Then why is the chi still there, plain as day? Hey, **Doc** , as much as I loved your running with it, any chance you can get in here and post on the God-prefixes in Hebrew? I know there’s Yo, Eli, El and I want to say one more, with the difference being the oral traditions and pre-Biblical beliefs. Tell you what. I don’t think you’ll have many people here arguing that there was not a Hellenistic influence in early Christianity. However, you aren’t going to get anywhere arguing a strong Egyptian influence because there isn’t one. And the fact that you seem to be arguing–bizarrely–that chi was replaced by sigma when the chi is obviously still there isn’t helping. And dang it, where is **Diogenes** when we need him? ---
**Author:** ![Dan\_Norder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4af34b/32.png) [@Dan\_Norder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dan_Norder)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/38 "2005-11-02T10:48:44Z")
OK, it’s clear that major parts of the whole Jesus story was based upon a lot of earlier mythology – Horus, Dionysus, Mithra, etc – that got glommed onto the basic story later to spice it up. But, geez, dude, the proofs and evidence given above with Meri and Jo-Sep and Jesus H Christ are completely ridiculous back formations that do not make sense. It’s not enough for you to point out extreme points of similarity, you have to invent up nonsense evidence to try to support it as well. And if you come back with “I just know more than you” – nuh uh, sorry. It’s clear that you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![DavidWaite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cc9497/32.png) [@DavidWaite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidWaite)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/39 "2005-11-02T15:13:36Z")
> [@Dan Norder](#): > > OK, it’s clear that major parts of the whole Jesus story was based upon a lot of earlier mythology – Horus, Dionysus, Mithra, etc – that got glommed onto the basic story later to spice it up. But, geez, dude, the proofs and evidence given above with Meri and Jo-Sep and Jesus H Christ are completely ridiculous back formations that do not make sense. It’s not enough for you to point out extreme points of similarity, you have to invent up nonsense evidence to try to support it as well. > > And if you come back with “I just know more than you” – nuh uh, sorry. It’s clear that you don’t. > [@Gozu](#): > > David, how do you explain the whole mary/miriam/mariam thing ? I’ve noticed that you did not address it in your replies. It just occured to me what you might be talking about. Miriam the sister of Moses led the celebration when the red sea supposedly closed on pharoes armies and murmered against Moses and so was cursed with leprocy. An earlier account of the story may well have been then that an idol of the water cow goddess derived from Meri was used to lead celebration and given credit for closing the waters and that goddess was curseded by Moses’s jealous god. > [@tomndebb](#): > > Regarding the greek letters, I actually posted a picture that supported my assertion and you have still not explained what Chi has to do with Horus, since that letter does not appear in the name. … I cut your irrelevent ramblings of emotion that you used in place of a valid argument after that statement. As for your picture it is absolutely irrelevent to my assertion. Although I never said Chi had anything to do with Horus, since you brought it up I will tell you two things it has to do with him. First Christo was greek for a title of Horus and second the Chi symbol is an x shape and that shape represented the sun god and Horus was a sun god and that is why he is dipicted at times with arms or wings outstreatched in the form of a cross or as a crucifix. If the C replacing S was meant to be chi instead of sigma that would be the relevence, but that was never my assertion. My assertion was that the reason S was replaced with C was to change it from an abbreviation to initials thus indicating there was a name for Jesus that started with an H, the other two initials being for Jesus and Christ. > [@asterion](#): > > And the fact that you seem to be arguing–bizarrely–that chi was replaced by sigma when the chi is obviously still there isn’t helping. Who is arguing that? > [@](#): > > However, you aren’t going to get anywhere arguing a strong Egyptian influence because there isn’t one. Yes there is. All the regions were inspired ultimately by Egyptian religion. The dieing rising godman theme which led to Jesus ultimately derives from Horus-Osiris. > [@Dan Norder](#): > > But, geez, dude, the proofs and evidence given above with Meri and Jo-Sep and Jesus H Christ are completely ridiculous back formations that do not make sense. It’s not enough for you to point out extreme points of similarity, you have to invent up nonsense evidence to try to support it as well. Yes they do and I haven’t made anything up. The entire Nativity comes from the Meh Seb Horus and Herrut depiction. The dying rising godman comes from the Osiris-Horus story. The crucifix comes from the cross symbol of the sun. The 153 fishes from Pythagorus. Even before Jesus, 7 of the ten commandments from the book of the dead. The golden cow the Israelites drank from the water cow goddess Meh. Yahweh of Samaria and his consort Asherah from Baal gods. Where isn’t it paaganism? > [@](#): > > And if you come back with “I just know more than you” – nuh uh, sorry. It’s clear that you don’t. But it is clear that I do. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419/40 "2005-11-02T15:41:59Z")
> [@](#): > > **DavidWaite** > > But it is clear that I do. Do Not Do So Do Not Do So Puh leez Welcome guest. In Great Debates here on the Dope you are expected to provide _credible_ evidence when you make an assertion unless you present it as your opinion rather than established fact. Simply restating it and saying it’s true repeatedly is fairly empty and meaningless. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cecils-answer-why-h-in-j-h-christ/328419.md?page=3)