# Celebrities who come out for publicity **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 21, 2005, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrities-who-come-out-for-publicity/291213 "2005-02-21T18:25:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrities-who-come-out-for-publicity/291213/1 "2005-02-21T18:25:33Z")
Douglas Coupland (author of _Generation X_ and a succession of lesser novels) has finally come out. This is about as shocking as Bush having tried marijuana to those who have read him for years (I think that one was safely clocked long ago) and coincidentally coincides with the release of his new novel (_Eleanor Rigby_) which has received scathing reviews. I can’t quite shake the notion that this may be more than coincidental. Richard Chamberlain not only remained closeted but actively denied and threatened lawsuit against those reporting “gay rumors” about him, but then came out about the same time his autobiography was released. George Michael discussed his sexuality for the first time after he was arrested in a men’s room (and some gay activists _still_ embraced him). Argh! How about coming out when you’re not in the middle of a scandal and when you’re not in need of publicity? Elton John was openly gay when there were no other gay stars of his magnitude, and while Sal Mineo wasn’t exactly white-hot in his career when he came out it was at least a gutsy move. Chamberlain otoh waits until his career is over and he’s richer than God (actually he always was) and generally untouchable, while Coupland comes out after his book sales have declined rapidly, his last signing tour tanked, and Sedaris and Burroughs are living proof that gay doesn’t hurt sales. Point: well not much of one, this one’s lame, but it’s irritating that so few celebrities have the chutzpah to come out when their career is in full swing but then don’t just climb onto the pride float when their career goes south but are helped onto it. Irritating. ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrities-who-come-out-for-publicity/291213/2 "2005-02-21T18:33:41Z")
Your title had me all worked up to go rolly-eyes on your ass, but I agree with your OP. I’m glad being gay isn’t bad for anyone’s career anymore, but does it have to be so good as to induce publicity stunts? Big damn drama queens… :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrities-who-come-out-for-publicity/291213/3 "2005-02-21T19:32:10Z")
While I may agree with your point about Chamberlain, I’ve gotta disagree about Douglas. His coming out was merely an acknowledgement that, yes he is gay, during an interview in the Advocate. That’s not exactly milking the announcement. It’s not like he’s ever denyed it. It’s just never been discussed. Do you rail at Lily Tomlin because she never made a big Coming Out annoucement? And how do you say his signing tour “tanked”? I had a good time listening to him read and discuss things during the Q&A. I haven’t finished _Eleanor Rigby_ so I can’t say yet how well it compares to _Hey Nostradamus!_ or _Miss Wyoming_; but to call those and his body of work “a succession of lesser novels” displays either pablum repeated without actually reading them or stupidity. (I’ll give you _Shampoo Planet_ and _Girlfriend in a Coma_.) And the charge of “scathing reviews” again sounds like you’re repeating something you’ve heard but have no actual knowledge. The book has received good reviews int _The Guardian_, _the Telegraph_, _The Independent_, _The Boston Globe_, _the San Francisco Chronicle_. The review in _The New York Times_ may have been not so good, but that’s hardly the final say in the matter. Coupland’s quirky style is not for everyone. Read it yourself, then you can speak about it. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrities-who-come-out-for-publicity/291213/4 "2005-02-21T19:53:41Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Douglas Coupland (author of _Generation X_ and a succession of lesser novels) has finally come out. This is about as shocking as Bush having tried marijuana to those who have read him for years (I think that one was safely clocked long ago) and coincidentally coincides with the release of his new novel (_Eleanor Rigby_) which has received scathing reviews. It shocks me, because after reading several of his books, I can’t believe the man is capable of doing anything even the slightest bit interesting. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrities-who-come-out-for-publicity/291213/5 "2005-02-21T20:55:16Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > Do you rail at Lily Tomlin because she never made a big Coming Out annoucement? Outta curiousity, I wondered if she ever did actually come out. It looks like she [came out in 2001](http://www.outlineschicago.com/0outlines/01117/LILLY.html) but didn’t make a deal out of it. Good for her. Then again, she really didn’t need to as everyone kinda assumed/guessed/knew about her. She narrated [“The Celuloid Closet”](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112651/) back in '95 so that was a bit of a giveaway. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrities-who-come-out-for-publicity/291213/6 "2005-02-21T21:34:48Z")
That’s my point, **stpauler**. Coupland didn’t make a big deal out of his sexuality. Like Tomlin, he just answered a question asked by an interviewer. As far as I know, he’s never denied being gay, married a beard or pretended to be any thing he wasn’t. I really don’t get **Sampiro** ’s ire. ---
**Author:** ![Freejooky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ba8739/32.png) [@Freejooky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freejooky)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrities-who-come-out-for-publicity/291213/7 "2005-02-22T00:36:34Z")
Jesus, I gave _Eleanor Rigby_ its own thread in Cafe Society, and it got **zero** responses. But now everyone’s ready to talk about Coupland’s homo-ness! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrities-who-come-out-for-publicity/291213/8 "2005-02-22T04:28:27Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Elton John was openly gay when there were no other gay stars of his magnitude Was that before or after he married that woman? ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrities-who-come-out-for-publicity/291213/9 "2005-02-22T11:34:54Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > It shocks me, because after reading several of his books, I can’t believe the man is capable of doing anything even the slightest bit interesting. Why is homosexuality any more interesting than heterosexuality? Or any less interesting? ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrities-who-come-out-for-publicity/291213/10 "2005-02-22T14:55:33Z")
> [@Freejooky](#): > > Jesus, I gave _Eleanor Rigby_ its own thread in Cafe Society, and it got **zero** responses. But now everyone’s ready to talk about Coupland’s homo-ness! :rolleyes: I must have missed it. Got a link and bump? ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrities-who-come-out-for-publicity/291213/11 "2005-02-22T15:30:45Z")
> [@](#): > > John was openly gay when there were no other gay stars of his magnitude He might be gay, but I’m pretty sure he has a loving relationship… with his wife. Are you sure about that one? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrities-who-come-out-for-publicity/291213/12 "2005-02-22T15:35:41Z")
Are you thinking about Paul McCartney? Elton John is seriously quite gay. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrities-who-come-out-for-publicity/291213/13 "2005-02-22T15:59:22Z")
> [@smiling bandit](#): > > He might be gay, but I’m pretty sure he has a loving relationship… with his wife. Are you sure about that one? 😕 **Had** a relationship with his \*\*ex-\*\*wife, Renate Blauel, whom he married in 1984. They were married for 4 years. I have no idea if they are even in contact anymore. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrities-who-come-out-for-publicity/291213/14 "2005-02-22T17:06:39Z")
Elton John has been with his partner, David Furnish, for 12 years, so **Smiling Bandit** might wish to update his Rolodex. Sure, it would be nice if someone of the magnitude of Jodi Foster came out, but the troubles that have ensued for gay celebs who come out while they’re famous, e.g., Ellen Degeneres, would be enough to scare off any actor who wants to keep working. Rupert Everett came out, and his career has suffered ever since. Ian McKellen came out, but he’s older and not really a lead, so he can keep working as a character actor. People pay him to be Gandalf, not a romantic lead who gets the girl. Both Farley Granger and Tab Hunter came out in recent years, but that wasn’t news to anyone who follows showbiz gossip. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrities-who-come-out-for-publicity/291213/15 "2005-02-22T17:20:29Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Rupert Everett came out, and his career has suffered ever since. I don’t think that has as much to do with him coming out as much as him doing a film with Madonna and her black-widow-kiss-of-death bombs. I’m still not sure how Sean Penn survived that. As for Ellen Degeneres, she seems to be doing alright with her talk show (renewed for 2005-2006) and Finding Nemo voice over. Her show, Ellen, tanked after she came out on it, but I blame the pisspoor writing. That show became unwatchable. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrities-who-come-out-for-publicity/291213/16 "2005-02-22T17:33:19Z")
I like it. Recently an episode of a childrens tv show came out, that had a gay couple in one episode recently got so much publicity. I am sure many of you recall this. Gay family were not being sponsered by the show, or being held in any positive or negative light, they were simpley shown to exist. This enraged a large number of people. If more mentions of non-heterosexuals get into the media, then that’s good! Maybe those who get into an uprour about public visability will “go critical” and thus remove themselves from the gene pool. ---
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrities-who-come-out-for-publicity/291213/17 "2005-02-22T18:26:43Z")
> [@Case Sensitive](#): > > Why is homosexuality any more interesting than heterosexuality? Or any less interesting? It is important for queer people – especially queer youth. I hesitate to use the trite words “role models,” but let’s face it – it’s easier to be out, proud, and live a good life if you know there are people out there who’ve managed it, and become a resounding success. One of the first things people when they come out is look for others like them – in real life, in the larger world, and in history. And since that information is so often covered up, even today, it’s doubly important.