# Celebrity Death Pool 2016 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** death-pool\ **Created:** [December 1, 2015, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098 "2015-12-01T05:57:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/182 "2015-12-29T00:43:02Z")
> [@Andrew\_21](#): > > I was asking about the current rule. Wouldn’t the rule from two years ago still be in effect? As far as I can tell, there has been no change in the rule since then. oh. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/183 "2015-12-29T01:53:50Z")
Joost van der Westhuizen Joey Feek Valerie Harper Randy Travis Paul Gascoigne Ralphie May JT Holmes Alex Honnold Justin Beiber Rob Ford Suge Knight Shia LeBeouf Omar bin Laden ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/184 "2015-12-29T04:30:11Z")
Tommy Chong Jimmy Carter Don Rickles Joey Feek Billy Graham Jerry Lewis Valerie Harper Fidel Castro George HW Bush Joost van der Westhuizen Zsa Zsa Gabor John Hurt Martin Crowe ---
**Author:** ![PaulParkhead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@PaulParkhead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PaulParkhead)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/185 "2015-12-29T04:38:08Z")
I’m going to play more or less the same list as last year, just replacing the two who actually did die: Clive James - Australian writer and TV presenter Henry Kissinger Nancy Reagan Tom Baker - Fouth Doctor Arthur Scargill - British trade unionist and left wing, er, “firebrand” Geoffrey Palmer - British actor Fidel Castro Ian Brady - Moors Murderer Paul Gascoigne - Soccer player Barbara Bush Robert Mugabe Jimmy Carter Angela Lansbury Plain list: Clive James Henry Kissinger Nancy Reagan Tom Baker Arthur Scargill Geoffrey Palmer Fidel Castro Ian Brady Paul Gascoigne Barbara Bush Robert Mugabe Jimmy Carter Angela Lansbury Alternates: Bashar al Asad William Shatner Bob Dole ---
**Author:** ![Library1900](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@Library1900](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Library1900)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/186 "2015-12-29T05:13:13Z")
Ruth Bader-Ginsburg Fidel Castro George HW Bush William Shatner Hosni Mubarak Stephen Hawking Jimmy Carter Bob Dole Hugh Hefner Dolly Parton Pope Benedict Ringo Starr Macaulay Culkin ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/187 "2015-12-29T05:41:51Z")
Only 1 death last year. I will try and do better: * * * George Zimmerman Tommy Lasorda Clark Howard Tony Dow Ronnie Schell David Selby Joe Wurzelbacher Ivan Koloff Dawn Wells Burt Ward William Perry Colin Dexter Bernard Fox Alternates: Chevy Chase Cliven Bundy Tiki Barber ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/188 "2015-12-29T10:47:19Z")
> [@Andrew\_21](#): > > In the past, the date of a celebrity’s death was based on local time. Has that changed? I didn’t see it either way in the rules. The problem is, there are problems either way. If the date of a celebrity’s death is based on local time, but submissions are final by Chicago time, a player at 11pm 12/31 Chicago time could check news sites for Australia, New Zealand, and east Asia, note any deaths of minor celebrities _that had already happened on January 1, local time,_ put them on their lists, and pick up some very easy points. Since online news reports are usually updated, and generally only show the date and time of the last update, it might be impossible afterwards for us to verify whether the person was already dead by midnight Chicago time in violation of rule 3a, and even if it did turn out to be verifiable, the player could always shrug, play innocent, and just say, “OK, replace that person with my first alternate.” ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/189 "2015-12-29T13:47:37Z")
Alex Trebek- Didn’t follow doctor’s intructions because they weren’t in the form of a question Rudy Giuliani- Inexplicably forgets the 911 emergency number Emeril- Bam! Runs into a wall Tom Brady- Underinflates tires with dire consequences Oliver Stone- Shot from grassy knoll Donald Trump- Hair today, gone tomorrow Rosie O’Donnell- Suffers stroke when discovering she accidentally voted for Trump Teller- Dies in stuck elevator, for some reason unable to yell for help Chris Christie- Dies stuck in traffic on George Washington Bridge Miley Cyrus- Dies of exposure Lisa Kudrow- Smelly corpse, smelly corpse Jim Gilmore- Collapses and dies in streeet, weeks pass before anyone can identify the body Stephen King- Scares himself to death writing his last book Alternate- Kim Kardashian- obit never published as researchers fail to figure out why she’s famous Clean List: Alex Trebek Rudy Giuliani Emeril Tom Brady Oliver Stone Donald Trump Rosie O’Donnell Teller Chris Christie Miley Cyrus Lisa Kudrow Jim Gilmore Stephen King Alternate Kim Kardashian ---
**Author:** ![Andrew\_21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bcef8e/32.png) [@Andrew\_21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andrew_21)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/190 "2015-12-29T14:57:21Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I didn’t see it either way in the rules. The problem is, there are problems either way. If the date of a celebrity’s death is based on local time, but submissions are final by Chicago time, a player at 11pm 12/31 Chicago time could check news sites for Australia, New Zealand, and east Asia, note any deaths of minor celebrities _that had already happened on January 1, local time,_ put them on their lists, and pick up some very easy points. That would be against the rules: > [@Baker](#): > > **The Rules** : > 3. Valid picks are not: > > a. already dead > [@RTFirefly](#): > > Since online news reports are usually updated, and generally only show the date and time of the last update, it might be impossible afterwards for us to verify whether the person was already dead by midnight Chicago time in violation of rule 3a, and even if it did turn out to be verifiable, the player could always shrug, play innocent, and just say, “OK, replace that person with my first alternate.” I agree with this. It may have happened already. IIRC, a sports journalist died on the morning of January 1, 2013 in London. Was it already 2013 in Chicago? We don’t know. The two players who picked him in 2013 received points. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/191 "2015-12-29T15:34:59Z")
> [@Andrew\_21](#): > > That would be against the rules: > > I agree with this. It may have happened already. IIRC, a sports journalist died on the morning of January 1, 2013 in London. Was it already 2013 in Chicago? We don’t know. The two players who picked him in 2013 received points. [London](https://www.google.com/search?q=time+difference+chicago+london&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8) is six hours ahead of Chicago. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/192 "2015-12-29T15:37:26Z")
Whitey Bulger Fidel Castro Doris Day Bob Dole Alan Greenspan George H.W. Bush Hugh Hefner Henry Kissinger Jim Lovell Hosni Mubarak Mort Sahl Bhumibol Adulyadej Chuck Yeager Alternates: Fats Domino Dick Van Dyke ---
**Author:** ![Andrew\_21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bcef8e/32.png) [@Andrew\_21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andrew_21)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/193 "2015-12-29T15:46:11Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > [London](https://www.google.com/search?q=time+difference+chicago+london&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8) is six hours ahead of Chicago. Yes. When the journalist died, it was morning in London. It may have been before midnight CST. ---
**Author:** ![Tit\_Whistle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Tit\_Whistle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tit_Whistle)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/194 "2015-12-29T16:09:28Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > On John Szeles, you might want to specify that you mean “The Amazing Jonathan.” I believe the lovely **Baker** has said to include their professional name/stage name, to help with record keeping and list recognition. Thanks for pointing that out. I actually went back and forth on which I should list. I choose…poorly. :smack: \*\*This is an updated list: \*\* Muhammad Ali George HW Bush Fats Domino Joey Feek Valerie Harper Mike Ilitch Clive James Mary Tyler Moore Ryan O’Neal David Prowse Leon Redbone Mel Stottlemyre The Amazing Johnathan Alternate: Shane MacGowan ---
**Author:** ![imthjckaz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/imthjckaz/32/3223_2.png) [@imthjckaz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/imthjckaz)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/195 "2015-12-29T22:19:17Z")
Valerie Harper Muhammad Ali Lindsay Lohan Fidel Castro Scott Hall Bob Barker Amanda Bynes George H W Bush Jimmy Carter Courtney Love Sid Hartman Keith Richards Miley Cyrus Alternate: Sarah Palin Justine Bieber Dick Cheney ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/196 "2015-12-29T23:14:36Z")
> [@Andrew\_21](#): > > Yes. When the journalist died, it was morning in London. It may have been before midnight CST. However, since neither poster who got points for Christopher Martin-Jenkins (the journalist in question) posted or revised their lists on 12/31/12, it’s clear that neither of them added CMJ to their 2013 lists after hearing of his death. If I were the Death Master, I’d keep the rule that local time determines day/month/year of death, but probably add a rule that to collect points on a January 1 death occurring in a time zone ahead of CST, the name must be on one’s list by midnight 12/31 in the time zone that the person died in. IOW, if it were up to me, if you thought a New Zealander on your list might kick the bucket on New Year’s Day, you’d have to get your list in by early morning CST on 12/31. ---
**Author:** ![Andrew\_21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bcef8e/32.png) [@Andrew\_21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andrew_21)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/197 "2015-12-29T23:50:03Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > If I were the Death Master, I’d keep the rule that local time determines day/month/year of death, but probably add a rule that to collect points on a January 1 death occurring in a time zone ahead of CST, the name must be on one’s list by midnight 12/31 in the time zone that the person died in. IOW, if it were up to me, if you thought a New Zealander on your list might kick the bucket on New Year’s Day, you’d have to get your list in by early morning CST on 12/31. I agree with this. ---
**Author:** ![Allecher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a6a055/32.png) [@Allecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Allecher)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2015, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/198 "2015-12-30T01:35:52Z")
Hauntingly similar to last year’s list. Jack Van Impe James Dobson Mike Huckabee Peter Popoff Ray Comfort Terry Jones Stanislaw Burzynski Pat Robertson Jim Bakker Creflo Dollar Robert Tilton Kenneth Copeland John Hagee Alternates: Joel Olsteen Jesse Duplantis ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2015, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/199 "2015-12-30T02:00:22Z")
> [@Allecher](#): > > … > Terry Jones > … Given the apparent theme of the list, presumably that’s Terry Jones the Koran-burning preacher, not Terry Jones the Monty Python member. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2015, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/200 "2015-12-30T02:07:11Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > Given the apparent theme of the list, presumably that’s Terry Jones the Koran-burning preacher, not Terry Jones the Monty Python member. Well, obviously. You will be putting the _Erik the Viking_ Terry Jones on your list a dozen years from now and still not getting the measly 16 points for him. ---
**Author:** ![Myrtle\_Beached\_Whale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8c91f0/32.png) [@Myrtle\_Beached\_Whale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrtle_Beached_Whale)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2015, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2016/739098/201 "2015-12-30T04:01:02Z")
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