# Celebrity Death Pool 2017

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Tags:** death-pool\
**Created:** [December 1, 2016, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517 "2016-12-01T07:00:03Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/121 "2016-12-09T19:19:12Z")

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> [@critter42](#):
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> So, in reality, this rules out anyone 99 also since they will be turning 100 next year.

That does not seem to be correct. The way I read it, if there is any possibility that you could score actual points, you can play that person. They might cough up the one point for you before they turn 0. You cannot play anyone whose 100[sup]th[/sup] birthday is on or before Jan 1[sup]st[/sup] of 2017.

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**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/122 "2016-12-09T20:01:59Z")

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_ **The Right Stuff** _

With John Glenn’s recent death, all of the Mercury 7 astronauts are gone, but here are the actors who played them.  
Ed Harris, b. 1950, John Glenn  
Scott Glenn, b. 1941, Alan Shephard  
Fred Ward, b. 1942, Gus Grissom  
Dennis Quaid, b. 1954, Gordon Cooper  
Lance Henrikson, b. 1940, Wally Schirra  
Scott Paulin, b. 1950, Deke Slayton  
Charles Frank, b. 1947, Scott Carpenter

And because 7 is not enough, from the _Apollo 13_ movie, we have:  
Jim Lovell, b. 1928  
Tom Hanks, b. 1956, Jim Lovell  
Fred Haise, b. 1933  
Bill Paxton, b. 1955, Fred Haise  
Ken Mattingly, b. 1936  
Gary Sinese, b. 1955, Ken Mattingly  
Chris Ellis, b. 1956, Deke Slayton  
Kevin Bacon, b. 1958, Jack Swigert

Ed Harris  
Scott Glenn  
Fred Ward  
Dennis Quaid  
Lance Henrikson  
Scott Paulin  
Charles Frank  
Jim Lovell  
Tom Hanks  
Fred Haise  
Bill Paxton  
Ken Mattingly  
Gary Sinese

Alternates:  
Chris Ellis  
Kevin Bacon

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**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/123 "2016-12-09T21:31:08Z")

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> [@TexCat](#):
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> _ **The Right Stuff** _
> 
> With John Glenn’s recent death, all of the Mercury 7 astronauts are gone, but here are the actors who played them.  
> Ed Harris, b. 1950, John Glenn  
> Scott Glenn, b. 1941, Alan Shephard  
> Fred Ward, b. 1942, Gus Grissom  
> Dennis Quaid, b. 1954, Gordon Cooper  
> Lance Henrikson, b. 1940, Wally Schirra  
> Scott Paulin, b. 1950, Deke Slayton  
> Charles Frank, b. 1947, Scott Carpenter
> 
> And because 7 is not enough, from the _Apollo 13_ movie, we have:  
> Jim Lovell, b. 1928  
> Tom Hanks, b. 1956, Jim Lovell  
> Fred Haise, b. 1933  
> Bill Paxton, b. 1955, Fred Haise  
> Ken Mattingly, b. 1936  
> Gary Sinese, b. 1955, Ken Mattingly  
> Chris Ellis, b. 1956, Deke Slayton  
> Kevin Bacon, b. 1958, Jack Swigert
> 
> Ed Harris  
> Scott Glenn  
> Fred Ward  
> Dennis Quaid  
> Lance Henrikson  
> Scott Paulin  
> Charles Frank  
> Jim Lovell  
> Tom Hanks  
> Fred Haise  
> Bill Paxton  
> Ken Mattingly  
> Gary Sinese
> 
> Alternates:  
> Chris Ellis  
> Kevin Bacon

I had an astronaut/cosmonaut list a few years back. I started with all the guys still alive who walked on the moon, then went on to other firsts, such as first EVA, first person in space, first woman in space, and so on. Those folks are tough, I didn’t get a single point that year.

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**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/124 "2016-12-09T22:23:45Z")

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> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> As the person who wrote the original rules off the cuff, I’ll go on record to say I have no problem with people changing the rules in general or with Idle Thoughts’ changes in particular. I changed the rules several times when I ran the Deathpool threads. Other people changed the rules when they ran them.

I really don’t care whether or not the line between valid and invalid is at the pick’s 100th birthday, his/her 101st. or doesn’t exist at all. The problem I had was his saying it one way, then saying it another, then saying it a third way, and then claiming he’d only said one thing the whole time. (Dude, we can roll tape. Just say, “look, I goofed, sorry about that, here’s what I _meant_ to say.” People are more likely to nod and move on. And yes, this is **RTFirefly** of all people giving you a suggestion about being diplomatic. That’s gotta be a first around here, and probably a sign of the End Times to boot. :D)

On the ranking thing, I’m happy with his compromise of just listing the players from most to least points, without any numerical rankings at all. Though

> [@](#):
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> It’s not a change, that’s how the ranking system originally was

kind of amuses me. If I shave off my beard one of these years, I’ll just tell my wife, “It’s not a change, dear, that’s how my facial hair originally was.”

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/125 "2016-12-09T23:25:12Z")

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My theme:

Wrestlemania (specially XXIII) concentrating on health issues, steroid use and Jerkiness:

Jimmy “Superfly” Snuka  
Big Van Vader  
Rob Van Dam  
The Great Khali  
Randy Orton  
Ken Anderson  
Jeff Hardy  
Edge  
Chavo Guerrero Jr.  
Gregory Helms  
Vincent Kennedy “Vince” McMahon  
Donald Trump  
The Undertaker

That last one is obligatory 🙂  
Preliminary list just in case I forget to post by the deadline. As usual I expect to change it a lot by December 31.

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**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/126 "2016-12-09T23:26:17Z")

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It must be a new Death Pool thread. All the rules lawyers are out.

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**Author:** ![melondeca](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@melondeca](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/melondeca)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/127 "2016-12-10T11:37:08Z")

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Gord Downie  
James Earl Jones  
Tom Brokaw  
Don King  
Neil Young  
Shannen Doherty  
Willie Nelson  
Peter Mahew  
David McCallum  
Buzz Aldrin  
Pat Robertson  
Abdulla Yameen  
Malcolm Young

Alternates:  
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar  
James Patterson  
Betty White

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**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/128 "2016-12-10T13:42:39Z")

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My list this year is called **People Who Won the Pulitzer Prize in Fiction**.

Alison Lurie (9/3/1926) - won in 1985 for _Foreign Affairs_  
William Joseph Kennedy (1/16/1928) - won in 1984 for _Ironweed_  
Shirley Ann Grau (7/28/1929) - won in 1965 for _The Keepers of the House_  
Toni Morrison (2/18/1931) - won in 1988 for _Beloved_  
Philip Roth (3/19/1933) - won in 1998 for _American Pastoral_  
Cormac McCarthy (7/20/1933) - won in 2007 for _The Road_  
Navarre Scott Momaday (2/27/1934) - won in 1969 for _House Made of Dawn_  
Edna Ann Proulx aka E. Annie Proulx (8/22/1935) - won in 1994 for _The shipping News_  
Larry McMurtry (6/3/1936) - won in 1986 for _Lonesome Dove_  
Anne Tyler (10/25/1941) - won in 1989 for _Breathing Lessons_  
Steven Millhauser (8/3/1943) - won in 1997 for\* Martin Dressler\*  
Marilynne Robinson (11/26/1943) - won in 2005 for _Gilead_  
Richard Ford (2/16/1944) - won in 1996 for _Independence Day_

Alternates  
Alice Walker (2/9/1944) - won in 1983 for _The Color Purple_  
Michael Chabon (5/24/1963) - won in 2001 for _The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay_ (Long shot, but that book made me want to punch people.)  
**Clean List**  
Alison Lurie  
William Joseph Kennedy  
Shirley Ann Grau  
Toni Morrison  
Philip Roth  
Cormac McCarthy  
N. Scott Momaday  
Annie Proulx  
Larry McMurtry  
Anne Tyler  
Steven Millhauser  
Marilynne Robinson  
Richard Ford

Alternates  
Alice Walker  
Michael Chabon

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**Author:** ![Buttercup\_Smith](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buttercup_smith/32/473_2.png) [@Buttercup\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buttercup_Smith)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/129 "2016-12-10T17:42:18Z")

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> [@Buttercup\_Smith](#):
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> Clint Eastwood  
> Kirk Douglas  
> Zsa Zsa Gabor  
> Jimmy Carter  
> George HW Bush  
> Dick Cheney  
> Glen Campbell  
> Betty White  
> Bob Barker  
> Kylie Jenner  
> Dan Rather  
> Dennis Hastert  
> Charlie Sheen
> 
> Alternates:  
> Bill Clinton  
> Caitlyn Jenner

Kirk Douglas turned 100 today so can we replace him with Bill Clinton please?

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**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/130 "2016-12-10T19:52:19Z")

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ReL catamount  
Can we do a both a regular list and a themed list?

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**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/131 "2016-12-10T20:00:44Z")

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I saw a notice that A A Gill has died, and three players have that name for 2017. That’s what alternates are for!

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**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/132 "2016-12-10T22:47:02Z")

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> [@Saint\_Cad](#):
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> ReL catamount  
> Can we do a both a regular list and a themed list?

I was considering this, actually…but I hadn’t come up with a good way of how it would work before the time came to make this thread.

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**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/133 "2016-12-10T23:17:54Z")

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> [@Superdude](#):
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> 1. Jimmy Carter
> 2. Jerry Lewis
> 3. Billy Graham
> 4. Burt Reynolds
> 5. Mamie Van Doren
> 6. Don Rickles
> 7. Donald Trump
> 8. Bill Clinton
> 9. Stephen Hawking
> 10. Courtney Love
> 11. Yoko Ono
> 12. Jimmy “Superfly” Snuka
> 13. Adam West
> 
> Alternates;
> 
> 1. Phil Spector
> 2. Hal Holbrook
> 3. Donald Sutherland

Ooh! I’d like to make a revision, if I could. Drop Yoko Ono, and add [Leon “Big Van Vader” White](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Van_Vader).

That would make my clean list thus:

Jimmy Carter  
Jerry Lewis  
Billy Graham  
Burt Reynolds  
Mamie Van Doren  
Don Rickles  
Donald Trump  
Bill Clinton  
Stephen Hawking  
Courtney Love  
Leon “Big Van Vader” White  
Jimmy “Superfly” Snuka  
Adam West

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**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/134 "2016-12-10T23:35:07Z")

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> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#):
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> I was considering this, actually…but I hadn’t come up with a good way of how it would work before the time came to make this thread.

I am working on an updated scorekeeper, and was considering separate rankings for “themed” and “regular” lists…

Will keep you posted as the process unfolds.

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**Author:** ![Dr.Girlfriend](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.girlfriend/32/193_2.png) [@Dr.Girlfriend](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Girlfriend)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/135 "2016-12-11T17:36:31Z")

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It’s the sixth annual “All-Star” Sports Edition of the Death Pool:

William “Refrigerator” Perry  
Stan Mikita  
Chris Mortensen  
Michael Schumacher  
Richard Simmons  
Jimmy “Superfly” Snuka  
Craig Sager  
Dave Strader  
Rod Carew  
Dwight Gooden  
Pele  
Dick Enberg  
Vin Scully

Alternates:  
Johnny Manziel  
Lamar Odom

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**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/136 "2016-12-12T00:10:52Z")

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> [@Catamount](#):
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> It must be a new Death Pool thread. All the rules lawyers are out.

And Groucho fans 😃

[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/4v3etuIw-aM/hqdefault.jpg "I'm Against It - Groucho and Zeppo Marx - Horse Feathers (1932)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v3etuIw-aM)

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**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/137 "2016-12-12T15:07:32Z")

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> [@kopek](#):
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> And Groucho fans 😃
> 
> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v3etuIw-aM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v3etuIw-aM)

Yeah, the one I expected. 🙂

Alternatively, “[If you think this country’s bad off now, just wait 'til I get through with it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBRLJ_kVjeQ),” which of course has wider application these days.

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**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/138 "2016-12-12T17:22:37Z")

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```auto

NAME Birthdate Known for
Ken Watanabe 21 October 1959 Actor - He's like an Asian "That Guy"
Gord Downie 6 February 1964 Canadian band Tragically Hip
Aretha Franklin 25 March 1942 Teaching us how to spell Respect
Val Kilmer 31 December 1959	The best Batman *EVER*
Stephen Hawking 8 January 1942 "The Hawk" - One of The Elders of the Internet 
Tommy Chong 24 May 1938 Dave's not here, man.
Jimmy Carter 1 October 1924 Ex-President
Dick Cheney 30 January 1941 Darth Vader
George H. W. Bush	12 June 1924 Ex-President
Johnathan Szeles	9 September 1958	AKA The Amazing Johnathan
Michael Schumacher	3 January 1969 Formula-1 Driver Terrible skier
Mary Tyler Moore	29 December 1936	The Mary Tyler Moore Show
Pope Emeritus Benedict	16 April 1927 Snazzy Red Shoes

Alt
Prince Phillip 10 June 1921 He married well

```

Clean list  
Ken Watanabe  
Gord Downie   
Aretha Franklin   
Val Kilmer   
Stephen Hawking   
Tommy Chong   
Jimmy Carter   
Dick Cheney   
George H. W. Bush   
Johnathan Szeles   
Michael Schumacher  
Mary Tyler Moore  
Pope Emeritus Benedict

Alt  
Prince Phillip

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**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/139 "2016-12-15T03:53:11Z")

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List:  
Mel Brooks - Legendary director  
Betty White - Legendary actress  
James Randi - Legendary skeptic  
David Attenborough - Legendary wildlife presenter  
John Williams - Legendary composer  
Buzz Aldrin - Legendary conspiracy-theorist-puncher  
Sean Connery - Legendary sexy man  
Ken Watanabe - Legendary Asian actor  
Val Kilmer - Legendary swordsman  
Stephen Hawking - Legendary cyborg  
Tom Sizemore - Legendary meth addict  
Donald Sutherland - Legendary Canadian actor  
Valerie Harper - Legendary Rhoda star?

Alternates:  
Richard Simmons - Legendary sparkly-unitard-wearer  
Paul Gascoigne - Legendary alcoholic  
Vikram Chatwal - Legendary burnout hotel heir

# ============================= Plain Text

Mel Brooks  
Betty White  
James Randi  
David Attenborough  
John Williams  
Buzz Aldrin  
Sean Connery  
Donald Sutherland  
Ken Watanabe  
Val Kilmer  
Stephen Hawking  
Tom Sizemore  
Valerie Harper

Alternates:  
Richard Simmons  
Paul Gascoigne  
Vikram Chatwal

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**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2017/773517/140 "2016-12-15T10:03:52Z")

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> [@Kron](#):
>
> Buzz Aldrin - Legendary conspiracy-theorist-puncher

I like this one! Whenever I feel frustrated I can go to YouTube and watch Bart Sibrel get what’s coming to him!😃

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