# Celebrity Death Pool 2020

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Tags:** death-pool\
**Created:** [December 1, 2019, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229 "2019-12-01T07:28:06Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 44

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**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2020, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/866 "2020-07-15T02:28:51Z")

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[Ronnie and Donnie Galyon](https://www.honoraryunsubscribe.com/ronnie-and-donnie-galyon/) won’t be separated in death, either.

[Flossie Wong-Staal](https://www.honoraryunsubscribe.com/flossie-wong-staal/), AKA Wong Yee Ching, top woman scientist of the 1980’s, AIDS researcher, and number 32 on the London Daily Telegraph’s list of the “Top 100 Living [at the time] Geniuses.”

And this past week was a pretty deadly week for in various sports:

[Dannes Coronel](https://www.web24.news/u/2020/07/shock-in-ecuador-over-death-of-former-soccer-player-dannes-coronel.html), former Ecuadorian Soccer player.

[Gilbert Doucet](http://fcgrugby.com/en/articles/2020/07/08/gilbert-doucet-passed-away), French rugby union player.

[Jahneil Douglas](https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29428426/toledo-rockets-dl-jahneil-douglas-22-dies-being-shot-pizza-restaurant), Toledo Rockets DL, shot outside of a Pizza Resturant.

[Bob Hitchens](https://miamiredhawks.com/news/2020/7/10/football-legend-bob-hitchens-passes-away.aspx), Miami University and NFL player, and coach of various teams.

[Mike Moran](https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/29426338/ex-usoc-spokesman-mike-moran-dies-78-short-illness), former U.S. Olympic Committee spokesperson.

[Bill Ramsey](https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-league/53322780), Former soccer forward.

[Mike Ryan](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/11/metro/mike-ryan-red-sox-catcher-during-1967s-impossible-dream-season-dies-78/), former Red Sox catcher.

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**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2020, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/867 "2020-07-15T17:34:17Z")

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Having conjoined twins on one’s list would be interesting but a problem. Unless one or both had celebrity accomplishments, as do regular picks, they might not be eligible, because they were famous just for their condition.

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**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\
**Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/868 "2020-07-16T05:25:41Z")

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Their condition led to their fame, but their fame came from them being entertainers as parts of “freak shows.”

Would Andre the Giant have become a famous wrestler if not for his medical condition? The medical condition that ultimately led to his death?

Or Verne Troyer, who at 2’ 8" was tiny even for a little person due to cartilage–hair hypoplasia. He got his start as a stunt double for a baby in the John Hughes movie “Baby’s Day Out.” If not for his specific form of dwarfism, he probably would not have been famous.

And living to 68 means the twins beat the odds on dying from their condition.

Granted, this discussion is largely moot since no one had the twins, but it’s an interesting question as to whether they would be valid picks. You could make an argument either way. Especially if you let other people who used aspects that put them outside of the norm as leverage for becoming famous.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/869 "2020-07-16T10:03:52Z")

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They were in the show because they were conjoined twins so again: all they were known for was their condition.

I can’t see how being really well known for exploiting their condition makes things different.

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**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\
**Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/870 "2020-07-16T13:07:54Z")

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tough call, but I would think Andre the Giant created a career that made him a celeb, even though he was freakishly large… the twins, however, would not have celebrity beyond their condition.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/871 "2020-07-16T13:19:37Z")

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> [@Baker](#):
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> Having conjoined twins on one’s list would be interesting but a problem. Unless one or both had celebrity accomplishments, as do regular picks, they might not be eligible, because they were famous just for their condition.

I thought the rule was that a person wasn’t eligible if they are only known for having a terminal illness. Having a physical condition in general isn’t a disqualifier.

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**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\
**Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/872 "2020-07-16T20:43:25Z")

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Actually, rule 3g reads like this

. _famous solely as a result of their illness or associated actions/events_

I guess being conjoined might not be interpreted as “illness” But for many such people the only reason we heard of them was their “condition”, so I may rephrase that rule slightly come December.

Andre had a wrestling career and was in a couple movies, so he had celebrity outside of his size.

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**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\
**Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/873 "2020-07-17T02:50:01Z")

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Michael Kooge, New Zealand radio personality [Dead at 64 points](https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/300057529/after-eightyear-cancer-battle-radio-personality-michael-kooge-has-died) (i.e., points for me)

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**Author:** ![Cazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cazzle/32/75_2.png) [@Cazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cazzle)\
**Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/874 "2020-07-17T02:50:14Z")

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I hope Conchata Ferrell pulls through, but she’s currently on a respirator after a heart attack earlier this year.

> **[Beloved Two and a Half Men star fighting for her life](https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/two-and-a-half-men-star-conchata-ferrell-fighting-for-life/news-story/15db8732cd3020c8e7a3886ea255d109)**
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> Two and a Half Men star Conchata Ferrell is fighting for her life on a respirator after suffering a heart attack.

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**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\
**Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/875 "2020-07-17T10:18:42Z")

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phungi takes quite a leap into the lead!

| 1 | phungi | 171 | 4 | 2 |
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| 2 | Loach | 115 | 3 | 1 |
| 3 | Jeep’s Phoenix | 67 | 2 | 0 |
| 3 | RobotDevilDog | 67 | 2 | 0 |
| 5 | Happy Lendervedder | 61 | 2 | 1 |
| 6 | Snowboarder Bo | 58 | 3 | 3 |
| 7 | GIGObuster | 57 | 2 | 0 |
| 8 | 42fish | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 8 | CAMJAY77 | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 8 | candide | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 8 | carnivorousplant | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 8 | It’s Not Rocket Surgery | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 8 | J-P L | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 8 | Little Nemo | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 8 | Maus Magill | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 8 | melondeca | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 8 | Queen Anne’s Lace | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 8 | Registered at Last | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 8 | RTFirefly | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 8 | standard deviation | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 8 | The Vorlon | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 22 | Biotop | 40 | 2 | 2 |
| 23 | arara123 | 39 | 1 | 1 |
| 24 | MrKnowItAll | 33 | 1 | 1 |
| 25 | Mahaloth | 30 | 2 | 1 |
| 26 | irritant | 26 | 2 | 2 |
| 27 | FavreCo | 25 | 1 | 1 |
| 28 | Cazzle | 23 | 1 | 0 |
| 28 | jeezums | 23 | 1 | 0 |
| 30 | Bayaker | 19 | 1 | 1 |
| 31 | KarlGauss | 16 | 1 | 1 |
| 32 | amarinth | 13 | 1 | 0 |
| 33 | Baker | 10 | 2 | 1 |
| 33 | TruCelt | 10 | 1 | 0 |
| 35 | copmputergeek | 9 | 1 | 0 |
| 35 | zadscmc | 9 | 1 | 0 |
| 37 | Annie X-mas | 8 | 1 | 1 |
| 38 | Superdude | 6 | 1 | 1 |
| 39 | commasense | 2 | 2 | 0 |
| 39 | a35362 | 2 | 1 | 0 |
| 39 | Rico | 2 | 1 | 0 |
| 42 | rosemurray | 1 | 2 | 0 |
| 42 | Prof.Pepperwinkle | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| 42 | Personal | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| 42 | Meeko | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| 46 | vivalostwages | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| 46 | Paul in Qatar | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| 46 | melondeca | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| 46 | Dr. Girlfriend | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| 46 | Dancer Flight | 0 | 1 | 0 |

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**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\
**Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/876 "2020-07-17T10:33:25Z")

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Magic School Bus creator dead at 75.

> **['The Magic School Bus' Series Author Joanna Cole Has Died](https://www.npr.org/2020/07/15/891586790/the-magic-school-bus-series-author-joanna-cole-has-died)**
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> The 75-year-old author of more than 250 books for children — including The Magic School Bus series, which became a beloved staple of PBS' children's programming, died July 12.

Next up, Mrs Frizzle visits the morgue (I’m sure there was an episode on decay…)

Brian

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**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\
**Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/877 "2020-07-17T14:23:35Z")

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I believe **lel** also had Kooge

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**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\
**Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/878 "2020-07-17T22:00:32Z")

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I checked post #88, for lel, and did not see Kooge. I’m still trying to figure out, in this new format, how to search for a particular word or term. If lel edited their post, I didn’t see it.

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**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\
**Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/879 "2020-07-18T01:34:32Z")

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No, lel did not have Kooge. It shows up that way in the search drop-down, because of quoting of phungi’s earlier post, but the post is on the 1st anyway.

* * *
(Just hit the search glass icon and click the "search this topic" box.)

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**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\
**Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/880 "2020-07-18T02:02:11Z")

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> [@phungi](#):
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> I believe **lel** also had Kooge

Sounds itchy. They should get a cream for that.

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**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\
**Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/881 "2020-07-18T03:59:22Z")

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John Lewis, dead at age 80.

> **[Rep. John Lewis, A Force In The Civil Rights Movement, Dead At 80](https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/792579944/rep-john-lewis-a-force-in-the-civil-rights-movement-dead-at-80)**
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> Lewis began his nearly 60-year career in public service leading sit-ins at segregated lunch counters in the Jim Crow-era South. He went on to serve in Congress for more than three decades.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/882 "2020-07-18T03:59:56Z")

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RIP Mr. Lewis; you done good.

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/883 "2020-07-18T11:36:13Z")

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John Lewis was on my list, another 20 points for me. Very sad, though. Not to swing this into bias politics, but I know he wanted to see Trump lose the election.

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**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\
**Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/884 "2020-07-18T14:37:06Z")

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I think I added Lewis to my list right before the deadline.

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**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\
**Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celebrity-death-pool-2020/844229/885 "2020-07-18T14:48:01Z")

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Lewis was #3 for selections, with 25 posters picking him.

| 1 | phungi | 191 | 5 | 2 |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 2 | Loach | 135 | 4 | 1 |
| 3 | Jeep’s Phoenix | 87 | 3 | 0 |
| 3 | RobotDevilDog | 87 | 3 | 0 |
| 5 | Happy Lendervedder | 81 | 3 | 1 |
| 6 | 42fish | 64 | 2 | 0 |
| 6 | CAMJAY77 | 64 | 2 | 0 |
| 6 | candide | 64 | 2 | 0 |
| 6 | It’s Not Rocket Surgery | 64 | 2 | 0 |
| 6 | Queen Anne’s Lace | 64 | 2 | 0 |
| 6 | Registered at Last | 64 | 2 | 0 |
| 12 | Snowboarder Bo | 58 | 3 | 3 |
| 13 | GIGObuster | 57 | 2 | 0 |
| 14 | Mahaloth | 50 | 3 | 1 |
| 15 | carnivorousplant | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 15 | J-P L | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 15 | Little Nemo | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 15 | Maus Magill | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 15 | melondeca | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 15 | RTFirefly | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 15 | standard deviation | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 15 | The Vorlon | 44 | 1 | 0 |
| 23 | jeezums | 43 | 2 | 0 |
| 24 | Biotop | 40 | 2 | 2 |
| 25 | arara123 | 39 | 1 | 1 |
| 26 | amarinth | 33 | 2 | 0 |
| 26 | MrKnowItAll | 33 | 1 | 1 |
| 28 | irritant | 26 | 2 | 2 |
| 28 | Superdude | 26 | 2 | 1 |
| 30 | FavreCo | 25 | 1 | 1 |
| 31 | Cazzle | 23 | 1 | 0 |
| 32 | AiM33 | 20 | 1 | 0 |
| 32 | ataraxy22 | 20 | 1 | 0 |
| 32 | Crease Munky | 20 | 1 | 0 |
| 32 | Dolores Reborn | 20 | 1 | 0 |
| 32 | Dung Beetle | 20 | 1 | 0 |
| 32 | Hoopy Frood | 20 | 1 | 0 |
| 32 | Kitten Mitten | 20 | 1 | 0 |
| 32 | Lsura | 20 | 1 | 0 |
| 32 | Oredigger77 | 20 | 1 | 0 |
| 32 | Team Dirt | 20 | 1 | 0 |
| 42 | Bayaker | 19 | 1 | 1 |
| 43 | KarlGauss | 16 | 1 | 1 |
| 44 | Baker | 10 | 2 | 1 |
| 44 | TruCelt | 10 | 1 | 0 |
| 46 | copmputergeek | 9 | 1 | 0 |
| 46 | zadscmc | 9 | 1 | 0 |
| 48 | Annie X-mas | 8 | 1 | 1 |
| 49 | commasense | 2 | 2 | 0 |
| 49 | a35362 | 2 | 1 | 0 |
| 49 | Rico | 2 | 1 | 0 |
| 52 | rosemurray | 1 | 2 | 0 |
| 52 | Prof.Pepperwinkle | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| 52 | Personal | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| 52 | Meeko | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| 56 | vivalostwages | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| 56 | Paul in Qatar | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| 56 | melondeca | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| 56 | Dr. Girlfriend | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| 56 | Dancer Flight | 0 | 1 | 0 |

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