# celeocanth?/loch ness? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [January 12, 2000, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celeocanth-loch-ness/6155 "2000-01-12T14:38:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2000, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celeocanth-loch-ness/6155/21 "2000-01-13T10:50:00Z")
> [@](#): > > I said “that Attenborough guy” because I never can remember which one (David or Richard) is the actor and which one is the “naturalist.” David is the Naturalist. Richard is the Actor/Director. They are brothers. It starts getting confusing when you think of Richard being the Jurassic Park guy, as David has also narrated Dinosaur documentaries. * * * **-PIGEONMAN-** Returns!!! [The Legend Of PigeonMan](http://www.hotkey.net.au/~guanolad/pigeonman/) - **You asked for him, now he’s back!** Hurrah! ---
**Author:** ![Jinx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Jinx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jinx)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2000, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celeocanth-loch-ness/6155/22 "2000-01-13T13:07:00Z")
Yes, the Nessie photos seemed always quite “messy” to me. The typical picture to which member Pldennison refers always looked more like an ink blot test than a seamonster. The truth about Nessie came out roughly around the same time those British “crop circles” were admitted to being a hoax, too. Ok, so we’re running low on monsters! Maybe Bigfoot and the like should be on the endangered spicies list? * * * I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person - unknown ---
**Author:** ![bda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5e9695/32.png) [@bda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bda)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2000, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celeocanth-loch-ness/6155/23 "2000-01-13T15:11:00Z")
thanks for the info and links everybody! so the final word on “nessie” is its definitely a hoax? . . how about WWII japanese soldiers still hiding in caves . . any more of those out there? ---
**Author:** ![pluto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f08c70/32.png) [@pluto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pluto)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2000, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celeocanth-loch-ness/6155/24 "2000-01-13T15:14:00Z")
I, for one, am a Japanese soldier writing this from a cave on a Pacific island. (If you think I will tell you which one you are sadly mistaken, Yankee dog!) Are you trying to tell me the war is over? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2000, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celeocanth-loch-ness/6155/25 "2000-01-13T15:50:00Z")
I know of a World War II soldier who lives in a cave with his weapons. He’s not Japanese, though. He’s my Uncle Mike. We don’t invite him to manny family gatherings anymore… ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2000, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celeocanth-loch-ness/6155/26 "2000-01-14T03:05:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by 647: > \*\*Dr. F-out of curiosity, since you seem a man of academia (meaning publish or die, unless you got tenure), are you familiar with controversy over the naming of the Indonesian species that was discovered. Referring to the post-doc that spotted the first specimen from the new population which he saw in a fish market on his honeymoon. And the French bastard that “scooped” him? Dog eat dog world in who publishes first. > > I’ve got the references in Nature, but I’ll have to dig them up.\*\* Sorry **647** , but I was not even aware there was a second species described until I followed **SaxFace** ’s link. I know it may be hard to believe, but I cannot read everything… ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2000, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celeocanth-loch-ness/6155/27 "2000-01-15T01:38:00Z")
The second species article made the cover of Nature, which, obviously, is widely read. (Actually, there might be two species in Indonesia alone.) If anybody is interested in the publishing of scientific journal articles, this is the story that I heard: A newly-minted Ph.D. recognized a coelacanth in a fish market in Indonesia while on his honeymoon. They’d only be found off Africa before. He received funding to study this second population. Analysis of DNA was done in a lab at an Indonesian museum to confirm that the fish were a different species. The agreement among the collaborating scientists was that the new Ph.D. would be the primary author on the first article describing the new species and they would publish in Nature. A French scientist, who helped with the DNA work (I think, I’m not sure of his exact role), took the DNA data and wrote his own paper. His paper was rejected by Nature but accepted by (what was described as) a second-tier or lower French journal. Since he published first, he got to name the second species and the guy who first recognized the species was left hanging. Needless to say, this left a bad taste in a lot of people’s mouths. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/celeocanth-loch-ness/6155.md?page=1)