How in the holy flying fuck is Tubgirl of all things analagous to child molestation?!
Tubgirl is disgusting, yes. Tubgirl is a weird, freaky thing to be getting your rocks off to, yes. But Tubgirl is NOT a child or children being SEXUALLY ABUSED for someone’s gratification!
The knee-jerk reaction to this might be a little too quick. I have often wondered if the Computer Shop Guy might stick something on my hard drive someday just to watch the pretty flashing lights when he reports me to the police.
Still if the facts are as they seem to be, well it may be time to lock him up and melt the key.
It is not just that he had the files on his computer, it’s that he was making them available to others. For that, no just personally enjoying the fruits of crimes against children, but allowing other to enjoy the fruits of crimes against children he deserves to be locked up for a very long time.
Someone out there will know how many times these pics have been downloaded - the more hits they rack up the more indication there is of a market for them, and the more children will be abused.
“I was just looking” is NOT a defence - you’re equally complicit in the crime, and should be sentenced accordingly.
Finding out about this was a weird moment at all. I’ve long wished that his character in those commercials would get some kind of comeuppance… so I’ve kinduv got the ‘shameful joy’ in the actor’s legal troubles. 
No huge opinion on the fact that it’s child porn, other than a general shudder
Collecting and looking at the pictures is one thing, but, according to the story, he was sharing it with others on the 'net.
I’m not sure I agree with this. Are they evidence that the police could not obtain on their own? Are they evidence that will lead to the arrest of the original child molester? (Keep in mind that they were probably taken outside of the US.) And owning images of a crime is itself a crime? Does that mean that I should not tape the evening news?
This is a difficult topic for me. In my line of work I meet many sex offenders. In my experience the one thing they all have in common is that they were molested as children themselves. I am not suggesting that all victims of molestation become molesters themselves but that it seems that all child molesters were victims at one point.
I cannot understand how pictures of pre pubescent children can be sexually stimulating. The fact that some people find them so suggests to me that they indeed suffer from some brain dysfunction. I agree that preventing them from victimizing other children should be our highest priority, but I think the act of viewing the pictures in and of itself should be approached from a medical/psych standpoint. Prison never cured this type of thing. Unless we are prepared to put them in prison forever, we need to consider treatment options.
Just a technical clarification: if you are downloading something using most file sharing programs, you are simultaneously making the chunks you have downloaded available to others even before you have a complete file.
Those are determinations which have to be made by law enforcement, not Joe Pervy. You never know what could happen. I remember reading a story a year or two ago where the feds were able to locate a young girl after they were able to determine what specific hotel the images were taken in. A lot of these kids could be kidnap victims or still being subjected to abuse. Whether the police can help or not, the pictures Are EVIDENCE (how can a photograph of a crime in progress not be [ievidence* of the crime?)
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In many cases, possessing evidence or knowledge of a crime and not reporting it is a crime, yes.
Cite, please.
Fair enough.
Yep, that’s really “kiddie porn”* and possessing it should be a crime. The “no punishment could be harsh enough” im my mind applies to the sick dude who did the acts in the pictures. The poor idiot who just looked at the pics should only go to prison. Or perhaps, some sort of secure mental institution, maybe, since it is a sickness.
Is it truely a sickness or is it a culturally imposed notion of a sickness?
Thought experiment that just occured to me: what would be one’s moral/ethical/legal take on something like realistic, completly CGI-generated faux child porn or snuff, and why? No direct victim; only indirect victim if one supports the idea that porn causes/ encourages people to act IRL. Thoughts?
Zebra, the big problem with “just looking at pictures” of child porn is this:
Let’s say there were only 20 or so photos of child porn circulating on the 'net. Some guy begins to get bored with looking (wanking) at the same photos many times and wants to find more. If enough people want more, someone’s going to fulfill that need. Supply and demand. Therefore, in order to make more, children get abused. Child porn is not a case of “weird porn”. It’s a crime that destroys children emotionally and physically.
Also, it’s not true that a 1 year old would not remember abuse. I know two other Native women who were sexually assaulted in infancy. They were plagued with fragments of memories for years; they’d known that they’d been harmed somehow, but couldn’t place it. Finally, through therapy they were able to recall most of the memories and begin to heal. The abuse was finally confirmed by relatives who had been afraid to speak up before, or too young to realize just what was happening.
All I’m saying is that looking at a photo of kiddie porn is less of a crime than having sex with children. I never said it wasn’t a crime.
I doubt that the link between the ‘supply and demand’ is so simple. I’m willing to bet that there isn’t a single photo that was created to be sold, that wasn’t made by someone who wouldn’t have abused children without the motive for profit.
Thanks, bup.
I thought this just fell off the pages of Cafe Society and instead I stumble upon it here. Although the lovable Celt has yet to be tried, the fact is he was nabbed in an online sting by the police who then executed a search warrant and found the porn at his home. I personally don’t feel the need to withold judgement anymore than Labatt Breweries (parent co. of Keith’s) did. I also believe that simple posession of the material is tantamount to child abuse. The act of seeking it out creates a market that destroys human beings. Fuck him. His life is totally fucked now and I’m glad.