# Cenk Uygur running for Pres
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [October 22, 2023, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927 "2023-10-22T17:08:45Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 14
### Author:  [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2023, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/261 "2023-10-26T22:51:45Z")
> [@Miller](#):
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> I’m not clear if **Hatchie** is claiming this board is too old to appreciate Uygur, or too young.
Too old. Ideological purity tests are now out of fashion on the left. I remember when “Solidarity With SLA” was a flyer you’d see on campus. I mean, that’s a pretty kneejerk “enemy of my enemy is my friend” thing to say. People are a little more skeptical about who we make common cause with now, least I hope so.
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### Author:  [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/262 "2023-10-26T22:56:53Z")
Pat Paulsen and the Symbionese Liberation Army? You’re calling us old and throwing out references like these?
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### Author:  [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2023, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/263 "2023-10-26T22:59:10Z")
I’ve been waiting patiently for a Harold Stassen reference at the rate things are going.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2023, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/264 "2023-10-26T23:19:04Z")
> [@Hatchie](#):
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> Ideological purity tests are now out of fashion on the left.
Well, the SLA is well before my time, but I think this is a highly debatable assertion, at the very least. I don’t think most people on the left these days would be nearly as cavalier about Uygur’s sexism as you are, for one thing.
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### Author:  [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2023, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/265 "2023-10-26T23:27:20Z")
Bernie people say the weirdest things.
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### Author:  [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/266 "2023-10-27T00:17:28Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#):
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> Pat Paulsen and the Symbionese Liberation Army? You’re calling us old and throwing out references like these?
I **am** old. But I’m not the first one on this thread to whip out Paulsen or Harold Stassen to make weak satirical brownie points. (I know about Stassen mostly because Mad magazine used to like to use him as code for “useless putz who refuses to admit his irrelevance”. Now **that’s** old.)
The SLA, for anyone who cares, can be looked up.
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### Author:  [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/267 "2023-10-27T00:24:01Z")
So while I do not feel that Cenk is the best candidate, I’ll ask @Hatchie an honest, non-snarky question. Has he re-filed to run, and has he filed an actual legal challenge to the “natural-born citizen” requirement?
Because it’s been a week since he filed his altered form for the primary, and I haven’t seen (after a quick web search) any other efforts or challenges since. Which, considering the time frame, would seem to be an ASAP issue.
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### Author:  [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/268 "2023-10-27T01:23:37Z")
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### Author:  [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/269 "2023-10-27T01:26:37Z")
**[Uygur plans legal action to secure ballot access](https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/progressive-pundit-cenk-uygur-wont-appear-on-nv-primary-ballot-after-altering-form)**
In an interview Friday morning, Uygur described the state’s law as “unconstitutional,” but said what happened with his filing is “exactly what we expected and, in a sense, what we want” because he wants to adjudicate the issue of his qualifications through the courts.
He pointed to the 14th Amendment, which describes all persons “born or naturalized” in the U.S. as citizens and protects the privileges and immunities of citizens, as the reason for his belief that he is qualified for the presidency, despite the requirements listed in Article II.
Uygur also said he was still considering which states to pursue litigation in, and declined to say for certain whether Nevada would be one of them.
“Well, good news for Nevada, they were the first, so they’re first, they’re batter up. So in a sense, they volunteered to get sued,” he said.
Uygur emphasized that his push to qualify was a fight on behalf of the 25 million naturalized citizens in the country, who he described as being treated as “second-class citizens.”
The main reason Uygur is running for president, he said, is because he believes Biden, the presumed Democratic nominee, would lose and that former president Donald Trump, who is so far polling ahead of his Republican challengers, is a “fascist.”
“My mission is to get the strongest Democratic candidate against Donald Trump,” Uygur said.
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### Author:  [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/270 "2023-10-27T01:43:44Z")
> [@Hatchie](#):
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> He pointed to the 14th Amendment, which describes all persons “born or naturalized” in the U.S. as citizens and protects the privileges and immunities of citizens, as the reason for his belief that he is qualified for the presidency, despite the requirements listed in Article II.
Being president, of course, is not defined by the Constitution as being one of the “privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States”. Moreover, the 14th amendment only binds the states, not the federal government, which is the ultimate authority on who can be president. This suit will go nowhere.
> [@Hatchie](#):
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> The main reason Uygur is running for president, he said, is because he believes Biden, the presumed Democratic nominee, would lose and that former president Donald Trump, who is so far polling ahead of his Republican challengers, is a “fascist.”
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> “My mission is to get the strongest Democratic candidate against Donald Trump,” Uygur said.
He’s either lying or delusional if he thinks he’s a stronger candidate than Biden.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/271 "2023-10-27T01:50:06Z")
> [@Hatchie](#):
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> In an interview Friday morning, Uygur described the state’s law as “unconstitutional,” but said what happened with his filing is “exactly what we expected and, in a sense, what we want” because he wants to adjudicate the issue of his qualifications through the courts.
This guy’s either an idiot, or a narcissist. Either way, he shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near any sort of government power.
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### Author:  [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/272 "2023-10-27T01:51:09Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#):
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> Because it’s been a week since he filed his altered form for the primary, and I haven’t seen (after a quick web search) any other efforts or challenges since. Which, considering the time frame, would seem to be an ASAP issue.
I agree it should be prompt. If he doesn’t put up toot sweet I may have to remove that bumper sticker.
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### Author:  [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/273 "2023-10-27T01:54:45Z")
> [@Hatchie](#):
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> If he doesn’t put up toot sweet I may have to remove that bumper sticker.
I wonder, how _does_ it feel to know you’ve put more effort into Cenk Uyger’s Presidential campaign than Cenk Uyger has…
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### Author:  [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/274 "2023-10-27T02:00:56Z")
Oh it feels good! Already I got a whole lot of old folks who’d never heard of him (were you one?) talking about the campaign in the most passionate terms.
Though it worries me, if one of our comrades here says he’s a racist sexist genocide-denying grifter does my pulling for him (mildly) mean I’m one too? That would be sad.
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### Author:  [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/275 "2023-10-27T02:12:00Z")
> [@Hatchie](#):
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> Oh it feels good! Already I got a whole lot of old folks who’d never heard of him (were you one?) talking about the campaign in the most passionate terms.
Not _positive_ terms, mind you but _passionate_.
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### Author:  [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/276 "2023-10-27T02:18:40Z")
Yes, and I appreciate any and all engagement. Really. I’ve started a thread or two here, but compared to the others, this one took off like a rocket. Up to now “Lie About Yourself” in Thread Games was my greatest hit.
Yes, I am a narcissist.
But seriously, never thought this would go anywhere, and we’re not finished yet.
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### Author:  [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/277 "2023-10-27T02:25:26Z")
Unlike Cenk’s campaign.
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### Author:  [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/278 "2023-10-27T02:26:04Z")
Ba-da-bing!
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/279 "2023-10-27T02:38:47Z")
> [@Hatchie](#):
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> Though it worries me, if one of our comrades here says he’s a racist sexist genocide-denying grifter does my pulling for him (mildly) mean I’m one too?
I’m not sure that it means that exactly, but when you say, regarding his sexist comments:
> [@Hatchie](#):
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> He often comes off like a frat boy on his show when talking about women. Maybe he tries to mitigate some of his more objectionable remarks by saying “it’s a joke! Come on! We’re just having fun here”, but I dislike that aspect of the TYT bull sessions (ladies invited, and Ana and the other regulars laugh it off but it’s pretty cringe worthy) and if this bothers anyone I can’t say you’re wrong.
It can come across as, “I wish he didn’t make sexist comments, and I understand that it bothers some of you, but it doesn’t really bother me.” That may not be what you’re intending to communicate, but it does make you come across as giving him a pass on being sexist, because you really like some of the _other_ things he says.
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### Author:  [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/280 "2023-10-27T03:02:27Z")
It does bother me. I would not say some of the things he says. I also do not believe he is any of the things our friend who Googled him said he is. Or rather, I’m willing to concede there are still traces of the old shit-talking Cenk that surface now and then. Is that the sum total of the man? I guess to some it always will be. And if the message - we need a 15 dollar minimum wage, we need to get private money out of elections, there need to be stricter gun laws, everything else he stands for - if that’s eclipsed by his tendency to be offensive when he thinks he’s being edgy like some of his trash-talking role models, I can’t say you should support him anyway. But I still think he’s a valuable voice. Like Al Franken, who should never have resigned.
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