# Cenk Uygur running for Pres
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [October 22, 2023, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927 "2023-10-22T17:08:45Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)
#### Post date: [October 22, 2023, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/101 "2023-10-22T23:15:20Z")
PS I wanted to post a transcript of some of Cenk’s reasoning on why the 5th and 14th amendments apply to his proposed challenge to the naturalized citizen exclusion, and why he thinks even the right wing court would rule in his favor - but there is no transcript, and turns out the dictation option on my Mac can’t handle Cenk’s verbal spew. But the gist of it is, it’s patently unfair, condemning a whole class of Americans to second class citizenship, which is legally forbidden although you have to sue to make that point, but you know who else couldn’t run for President under current understanding? Elon Musk. And Cenk insists good 'ol Elon will come to his defense, and who among the Six won’t defer to that? (Uh, that’s kind of a stretch I’ll admit.)
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### Author:  [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)
#### Post date: [October 22, 2023, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/102 "2023-10-22T23:17:49Z")
I _think_ the _only_ thing that naturalized citizens are unable to do that natural-born citizens can is run for president, so I don’t think that counts as “second-class citizenship.”
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### Author:  [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)
#### Post date: [October 22, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/103 "2023-10-22T23:22:36Z")
Spoken like a Natural Born. Maybe you should ask someone who came to this country from elsewhere, filed the papers, waited years, took the citizenship test and passed, got sworn in - ask them if the exclusion makes them feel second class.
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### Author:  [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)
#### Post date: [October 22, 2023, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/104 "2023-10-22T23:24:58Z")
> [@Hatchie](#):
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> Maybe you should ask someone who came to this country from elsewhere, filed the papers, waited years, took the citizenship test and passed, got sworn in - ask them if the exclusion makes them feel second class.
Presumably they learned from the citizenship test that they could never be president and went through with the process anyway.
Personally, I’d be fine getting rid of that requirement, but it would have to come from a constitutional amendment, not a court case.
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### Author:  [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)
#### Post date: [October 22, 2023, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/105 "2023-10-22T23:25:45Z")
> [@Hatchie](#):
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> patently unfair
It’s a court of law, not a court of fairness.
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### Author:  [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)
#### Post date: [October 22, 2023, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/106 "2023-10-22T23:26:42Z")
> [@Hatchie](#):
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> Cenk _is_ running. He says so. What you make of that is your call. But “never heard of the guy” or “yes I’ve heard of him but don’t consider his an important voice” is not really helpful.
Are you expecting us to be helpful to Cenk or to you?
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### Author:  [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)
#### Post date: [October 22, 2023, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/107 "2023-10-22T23:26:56Z")
> [@Hatchie](#):
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> Spoken like a Natural Born. Maybe you should ask someone who came to this country from elsewhere, filed the papers, waited years, took the citizenship test and passed, got sworn in - ask them if the exclusion makes them feel second class.
Okay, I’ll ask one such person. They said that it doesn’t make them feel second class.
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### Author:  [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)
#### Post date: [October 22, 2023, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/108 "2023-10-22T23:28:07Z")
You could be right. Anyway I doubt anything Cenk does will alter the status quo, unless Elon and Arnold and a couple more high-profile heavy hitters sign on, which they won’t.
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### Author:  [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)
#### Post date: [October 22, 2023, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/109 "2023-10-22T23:29:35Z")
All the “heavy hitters” in the entire country could sign on and it wouldn’t matter at all. The _only_ way I see the natural-born citizenship requirement changing is via constitutional amendment.
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### Author:  [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)
#### Post date: [October 22, 2023, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/110 "2023-10-22T23:30:24Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#):
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> Okay, I’ll ask one such person. They said that it doesn’t make them feel second class.
Well there you go, the one person you didn’t ask is cool with it, case closed.
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### Author:  [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)
#### Post date: [October 22, 2023, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/111 "2023-10-22T23:30:54Z")
Should I ask a moderator to close the thread?
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### Author:  [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)
#### Post date: [October 22, 2023, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/112 "2023-10-22T23:37:24Z")
Please. I tried to keep this about Cenk, people insist I explain why he thinks he can beat the stricture, I re-listened and gave it my best shot, happy to drop the subject.
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### Author:  [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)
#### Post date: [October 22, 2023, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/113 "2023-10-22T23:56:26Z")
Wait! Not before I unsubscribe from the young turks youtube channel!
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### Author:  [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)
#### Post date: [October 22, 2023, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/114 "2023-10-22T23:56:28Z")
> [@Hatchie](#):
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> but you know who else couldn’t run for President under current understanding? Elon Musk.
That’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
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### Author:  [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2023, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/115 "2023-10-23T00:42:21Z")
> [@Hatchie](#):
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> PS I wanted to post a transcript of some of Cenk’s reasoning on why the 5th and 14th amendments apply to his proposed challenge to the naturalized citizen exclusion, and why he thinks even the right wing court would rule in his favor
It seems his application to the Nevada ballot has given him a controversy he could use to push this into court.
All he needs to do is sue the Nevada elections authority to force them to allow his application to the ballot. Outline his reasoning to the district court. Then, file an appeals with the Ninth Circuit, once the district court throws it out. Finally, request a grant of cert from the Supreme Court once the Ninth Circuit throws it out. (And yes, the lower courts will throw it out.)
It’ll cost some lawyer time, of course, and $$, but if he really thinks he’s got a valid argument here, he should put up or shut up. Time’s a-wastin’.
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### Author:  [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2023, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/116 "2023-10-23T01:00:41Z")
> [@Loach](#):
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> What would a SDMB thread be without pedantry? Schwarzenegger was born in the state of Styria which was part of the British sector. It was not US occupied territory.
True, but it was Allied not Soviet. So, no he does not qualify, but Congress could make a law that he did.
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### Author:  [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2023, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/117 "2023-10-23T01:02:03Z")
> [@SunUp](#):
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> All he needs to do is sue the Nevada elections authority to force them to allow his application to the ballot.
Thank you for this. I expect this is exactly his expectation when he crossed out “natural born” on his application. He probably already has lawyers in waiting, ready to pull the trigger. Expensive, yes; futile we’ll see.
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### Author:  [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2023, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/118 "2023-10-23T01:04:07Z")
Okay, using his Nevada application as a test case to challenge the natural-born requirement would be interesting, even if his candidacy is otherwise far-fetched.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2023, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/119 "2023-10-23T01:22:54Z")
Futile, we _know_. Right now he can’t run because he is, without question, constitutionally unqualified to run. His opinion doesn’t matter, the opinions of all his followers don’t matter. If he has lawyers that are minimally competent they will tell him that the SCOTUS is not going to jump through that many hoops in time for him to run. The difference between Cenk Uyger and Pat Paulsen?
Pat Paulsen was legally qualified to run.
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### Author:  [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2023, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cenk-uygur-running-for-pres/991927/120 "2023-10-23T01:25:46Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#):
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> The difference between Cenk Uyger and Pat Paulsen?
Pat Paulsen’s presidential ambitions were a joke.
Cenk Uyger is a joke.
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