# Cesario, you're awfully sanctimonious for a pedophile **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 29, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973 "2009-09-29T14:48:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/281 "2009-10-02T06:57:45Z")
As an example of a possible debate - is _virtual_ sex between an adult and a 5 year old (_a la_ Second Life or something) OK? If not, why not? What about an adult and an adult using a 5yo avatar? An adlt and a 5yo in an adult avatar? 2 5yo, one using an adult avatar and one using a 5yo one? etc. ---
**Author:** ![AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/282 "2009-10-02T09:22:28Z")
> [@](#): > > Self-obsessed narcissists You know…I wonder if pedos have some sort of co-morbid personality disorder that causes them to be blind to why sex with kids is wrong. Like an emotionally stunted, Asperger’s and manipulative personality disorder profile. Ceserio…you keep yapping about how you think that kids WANT sex. I remember reading a thread at one of the girllove sites going on about the dateline special on the bust in that village in Malaysia or Thailand, that’s notorious for having very underage girls. The poster was all " They WANT to have sex! Why is it so wrong? They were so upset being taken away from something they love and WANT to do! " (he sounded exactly like YOU) They don’t. You and other pedos ARE rapists in that way. You’re doing what many date rapists do…that is misunderstanding basic body language or what other people want. In the end it’s ALL about you (pedophiles) manipulating kids to get what you want. You don’t care about what the indivdual wants…It’s ALL about what YOU want. .. Kids are still at the stage where they’re all " he he he he he" look at my weiner!!! As a matter of fact, one common theme, that pedos are obessed with tends to be the innocence of kids. If a kid is innocent…they don’t understand sex or the desire for it. How does that fit into things? Heck…I was a kid not that long ago…(I’m 30) and I don’t remember wanting to have sex with an adult. I was a KID…I wanted to play with Matchbox cars, and dolls. (and I was pretty advanced for my age) And a pedo’s attraction is 100% about sex and dominating a kid. It’s not about strong friendship or love. Someone can be madly crazy in love with someone and yet not have sexual feelings for them. (I’ve loved …like honestly loved people at college and at camp but not had sexual feelings for them) ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/283 "2009-10-02T10:06:09Z")
> [@DETXL](#): > > (edit: I’m not saying the analogy is a parallel. I’m saying that there is a difference between wanting something to be possible and wanting to do it just because you can get away with it. Unless you disagree?) It doesn’t matter. This is not a philosophical issue. I do not trust anyone who wants to have sex with 4-years olds. Even if they swear on their mother’s grave that they won’t do it, the fact that they _want_ to do it makes me not trust anything about them - at all. I sure as hell wouldn’t trust them to ‘be honest with me’ about any of their intentions. In any case, I think we are being trolled so I’m putting my outrage away in it’s box, for now. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/284 "2009-10-02T13:15:50Z")
> [@Cesario](#): > > I want to have sex with children age 10 and under who are both capable of informed consent, and enthusiastically interested in having sex with me. Whether such children exist is imaterial to the fact that it’s something I want. Do you think any such children do exist, or might possibly exist? How likely do you think it is that you would ever come across such a child? I had a look at your list of elements required for meaningful consent, and I don’t think any child under 10 could ever fulfil them. If there is a child, somewhere, that did, I would see them more as an adult in a child’s body. Is that what you effectively want - an adult’s consciousness in a pre-pubescent body? ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/285 "2009-10-02T15:09:35Z")
I actually waded through the dense posts of the pedophile, and am now convinced the answer is TROLL. Fortunately, I interact with trolls to the same degree I interact with kid-fuckers, which is to say not at all. I will only also add before leaving that engaging in a discussion on the merits of kid-fucking dignifies a subject that should be beneath contempt and gives respectful attention to someone who deserves neither. It’s fundamental foolishness, and I need to stop reading this thread if only to avoid losing respect for some of the posters participating in it. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/286 "2009-10-02T15:22:10Z")
[QUOTE=Cesario] Where are you getting this idea that I’ve deluded myself into thinking they want me to fuck them? This discussion is entirely hypothetical, and the hypothetical is premised on an enthusiastically interested child, yes, but why do people seem to assume I consider every child out there enthusiastically interested in me? [/QUOTE] We’re having a hard time believing in the hypothetical child that knows what sex is and wants to have it with you. Puberty is when a person develops sexually and begins to get sexual urges. Children younger than that are sensual but not sexual. I will concede a fine point of distinction to you that will probably get people here angry at me, and that is that what we consider appropriate touch outside of penetration is kind of arbitrary. I don’t know what the psychological reaction to stimulation of genitals is like. But, you’re right society has put a hard limit on that, and regardless of whether there is some sort of primal trauma that could result there is definitely the trauma of social pressure. ---
**Author:** ![moonstarssun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@moonstarssun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moonstarssun)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/287 "2009-10-02T15:30:08Z")
Ooookay, I think I’m out. I’m being thoroughly creeped out by this thread, and **Cesario,** you’re not really saying anything I haven’t heard already (justification and rationalization). So, whatever. Enjoy believing that you’re right and that society is wrong. Talk loudly, publicly and often about how hot you find young children. You’ll be doing the world a favor if you become an advocate for this. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/288 "2009-10-02T15:38:46Z")
> [@Cesario](#): > > And by declaring it a stupid strategy, I’m implicitly suggesting that it isn’t the one I’m employing. I’m implicitly suggesting I don’t believe you. 😉 > [@](#): > > Once again, there’s nothing to justify about me. And yet, you go on… > [@](#): > > I want to have sex with children age 10 and under who are both capable of informed consent, and enthusiastically interested in having sex with me. Whether such children exist is imaterial to the fact that it’s something I want. Just like the fact that we can’t make Light Sabers doesn’t mean I don’t want one. Yeah, and I’d like to skullfuck a unicorn. But only if they could consent to it - I’m not some kind of weirdo! The informed consent thing is what you’re _supposed_ to say, but you’re not really committed to it. In the post about the “very attractive four year old,” you were at least implying she was into you. Elsewhere, like **Shodan** said, you said you feel it’s your duty to violate an unjust law, and laws that keep you from screwing kids are unjust. > [@](#): > > You don’t believe that it should be “lowered or elimimated”. You argued quite vigorously against the idea of it being eliminated. I think the voting age should be lowered. I also think drinking ages should probably be eliminated and ages of consent should probably be lower. The thread was only about voting. > [@](#): > > You want it to be dropped to 16, but you really haven’t provided any explaination for why any arbitrary-age-line-based-on-nothing is acceptable for determining suffrage I did explain, but I don’t intend to continue arguing with you. There’s no point in talking to someone whose response to every argument is a version of ‘You are as bad as slaveowners because you won’t let me to fuck a preschooler.’ ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/289 "2009-10-02T19:05:31Z")
> [@Cesario](#): > > I want to have sex with children age 10 and under who are both capable of informed consent, and enthusiastically interested in having sex with me. Whether such children exist is imaterial to the fact that it’s something I want. Just like the fact that we can’t make Light Sabers doesn’t mean I don’t want one. I’m sorry, but I’m going to have to call B.S. on you Cesario. I do appreciate that you’ve apparently taken your name from the [Kiddy Grade Anime](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesario_(Kiddy_Grade)#Cesario) series (in the sense that you’ve apparently thought this out), but I’m just not buying the idea that this persona is true. Whenever you discuss your personal desires, you seem to attempt to put forth the perfect scenario, but seriously, how would any child under the age of 10 be capable of informed consent or enthusiastically interested in having sex? You are attempting to defend the impossible here. You say you’ve posted on other boards of this and I’d like to see evidence of this. The reason why is because I believe you came to this message board with the sole desire to see if you could put up an argument in favor of what can only be viewed as the worst possible position imaginable. You seem quick to weed through irrelevant posts and attacks on the hypothetical character - but your comparisons to other cultural acts (slavery and such) seem quite weak. You mention several times something to the effect of the belief that if you were arrested for sex with a minor you are confident in your ability not to serve jailtime. > [@Cesario](#): > > No, no real fear of prison. I remain arrogant enough to believe I could avoid criminal consequences myself. Why would you be able to avoid the criminal consequences? Your ‘arrogant’ comment makes me think that you believe you could argue your way out of it, however this is an assumption. In the end, I’m not buying it. I think this is a persona you’ve adopted. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/290 "2009-10-02T19:13:36Z")
I also want a light saber… Well, not really. A personal jetpack or hoverboard would be nice, though. ---
**Author:** ![fuzzypickles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9d8465/32.png) [@fuzzypickles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fuzzypickles)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/291 "2009-10-02T19:53:40Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Yeah, and I’d like to skullfuck a unicorn. But only if they could consent to it - I’m not some kind of weirdo! Out of curiosity, I decided to google “unicorn porn” and…once again, Rule 34 holds true. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![FloatyGimpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/floatygimpy/32/7750_2.png) [@FloatyGimpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FloatyGimpy)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/292 "2009-10-02T20:16:39Z")
**Cesario** , when I was being fucked by a pedophile when I was 7 years old he would ask me if I liked it and if it felt good. I always said “yes”. I didn’t say yes because it actually felt good, it felt disgusting and horrible. I said “yes” because children are taught to do what adults tell them to and I knew the right answer was “yes”. So if you find yourself fucking some little girl and she’s told you she likes it and wants to do it, don’t mistake that as consent, it isn’t. It’s only her being controlled and manipulated by you. But when she’s an adult, she’ll post on message boards about what a sick fuck you are and wish you were dead. ---
**Author:** ![Terraplane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Terraplane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terraplane)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/293 "2009-10-02T20:31:51Z")
> [@Cesario](#): > > It’s good that you don’t speak for me, because this is about the farthest thing from my experience ever. When I chat with a woman I find sexually attractive, I’m first and foremost thinking about the chat, enjoying her company, and appreciating the view. While the thought of getting her into bed does cross my mind, it is hardly the focus of my thoughts. There are women that you find sexually attractive? I thought your cut off was around age 10? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/294 "2009-10-02T21:11:19Z")
> [@FloatyGimpy](#): > > **Cesario** , when I was being fucked by a pedophile when I was 7 years old he would ask me if I liked it and if it felt good. I always said “yes”. I didn’t say yes because it actually felt good, it felt disgusting and horrible. I said “yes” because children are taught to do what adults tell them to and I knew the right answer was “yes”. > > So if you find yourself fucking some little girl and she’s told you she likes it and wants to do it, don’t mistake that as consent, it isn’t. It’s only her being controlled and manipulated by you. But when she’s an adult, she’ll post on message boards about what a sick fuck you are and wish you were dead. Shit, I am so sorry that happened to you. (Whenever I read posts like this, it just makes my blood boil). Of course, let’s just wait for **Sleezario** to come along and say that HE would be able to KNOW if a child TRULY felt good. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/295 "2009-10-02T21:29:58Z")
> [@fuzzypickles](#): > > Out of curiosity, I decided to google “unicorn porn” and…once again, Rule 34 holds true. 🙂 I’m not going to google “unicorn skullfuck” at work, but I hope it’s at least a little bit unique. Probably it’s also the name of a shitty metal band in Weaver’s Ass, Georgia. I’m sorry for what you’ve been through, **FloatyGimpy**. For that matter I’m sorry you have to deal with **Cesario**. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/296 "2009-10-02T21:38:33Z")
> [@google](#): > > No results found for “unicorn skullfuck”. > Results for unicorn skullfuck (without quotes): ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Dublin11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Dublin11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dublin11)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/297 "2009-10-02T21:48:59Z")
> [@Cesario](#): > > No, no real fear of prison. I remain arrogant enough to believe I could avoid criminal consequences myself. My concern is, and always has been, the safety of my hypothetical lover from the psychological torture she’d be put through by society in an effort to remake her into the rape victim everyone assumes she must be. So the single reason you don’t actually have sex with a child is because of what society would say? About **her**? Pffft. You paedophiles today - no commitment. You’re a fantasist. There is no sexual urge on this planet that is ever constrained because of what society says. Never has been and never will be. People always end up fucking what turns them on. They’ve done it in the past and they still do it in times and places when they’d be/still are sentenced to death for adultery or homosexuality or whatever else their society says is a bad thing and yet your only concern is what other people would think of your fuckee? Can you really not see how silly you sound? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/298 "2009-10-02T22:23:29Z")
> [@omgzebras](#): > > There are women that you find sexually attractive? I thought your cut off was around age 10? He has stated he is _also_ attracted to adults. At this point he could announce a desire to fuck hatstands and centipedes and I wouldn’t blink. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/299 "2009-10-02T22:48:39Z")
> [@LunaticFringette](#): > > Oh good grief. How can a pedophile possibly justify their position??? Do you know anything about child growth and development??? Child psychology??? Immerse yourself in that literature and then tell me that there’s any fucking way on this earth that the possiblity exists that a pedophile could have a valid argument. [Rind et al](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9670820) is certaintly not without it’s share of controversy but it’s a mistake to say that the literature is consistent in backing up your position. > [@](#): > > Many lay persons and professionals believe that child sexual abuse (CSA) causes intense harm, regardless of gender, pervasively in the general population. The authors examined this belief by reviewing 59 studies based on college samples. Meta-analyses revealed that students with CSA were, on average, slightly less well adjusted than controls. However, this poorer adjustment could not be attributed to CSA because family environment (FE) was consistently confounded with CSA, FE explained considerably more adjustment variance than CSA, and CSA-adjustment relations generally became nonsignificant when studies controlled for FE. Self-reported reactions to and effects from CSA indicated that negative effects were neither pervasive nor typically intense, and that men reacted much less negatively than women. The college data were completely consistent with data from national samples. Basic beliefs about CSA in the general population were not supported. [more context from Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rind_et_al._controversy) ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/300 "2009-10-02T23:19:44Z")
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