# Cesario, you're awfully sanctimonious for a pedophile **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 29, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973 "2009-09-29T14:48:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/382 "2009-10-05T20:05:11Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I actually have something nice to say about **Cesario** : he could teach \*\*curlcoat \*\*a lesson or two on how to respond to multiple posts. Oh, my - that is _so_ true > [@Lobsang](#): > > At any point in this whole mess (which I refuse to read word-for-word) has **Cesario** admitted that he is not normal and has a problem? He admits he’s not normal. As for problem… well, yes and no. Problem for him is that there is no legal way for him to indulge his desires. Problem for the rest of us is our concern he might one day go ahead and try it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/383 "2009-10-05T20:16:44Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Not to mention that none of that is illegal Neither is paedophilia. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2009, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/384 "2009-10-05T21:23:34Z")
Anyone who may still be on the fence as to if you’re being trolled or not, consider the following. > [@Cesario](#): > > I have no interest in attempting to reorient myself. Whether it could succeed or not, I’ve no interest in the attempt. While I accept that you genuinely believe this to be in my best interest, I do not intend to change who I am for the sake of a group of violent bigots. Those who have come to the conclusion that **Cesario** is a troll, please do the right thing and stop feeding him. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/385 "2009-10-06T00:29:29Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > It isn’t so. > > This notion that simply discussing the merits is tantamount to approval is bullshit. Correction: there are no merits. So, presuming there are some is indeed tantamount to approval (or at least condoning). There aren’t 2 sides to having sex with children, no matter how hard **Cesario** tries to get us to understand his terrible hardship in restraining himself. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/386 "2009-10-06T00:43:42Z")
I missed the edit window. [QUOTE=tomndebb] We are using a fairly bright line distinction for what can actually be posted, here. I understand that cesario’s lusts are significiantly repulsive as to get folks to wish to simply set aside the normal rules of the place, but I see making that sort of exception as merely the sort of ad hoc rules tampering for which we are lambasted (correctly or incorrectly) every time we do not make a judgment call that falls in one poster or another’s favor. [/QUOTE] Even though he has said that he is sure he could get away with having sex with children? To quote John Lennon: How do you sleep? Whatever, whichever. I said my piece. Truly I begin to see why conservatives think so poorly of liberals. There are no lines, never mind bright ones, nothing that is not acceptable or tolerable. What a crock. I am not about to attempt to explain why playing doctor is normal and an adult having sex with a child is not, **Cesario.** You have shown that you are incapable of discussing this distasteful topic in anything but a hectoring, baiting manner and you are convinced that you are correct and that society is merely blinded by prejudice. Pedophilia is not your father’s homosexuality. You and others like you are not going to find society changing its mind about your “need” for pleasure. Cry me a river. ---
**Author:** ![Cesario](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Cesario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cesario)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/387 "2009-10-06T02:07:59Z")
> [@AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](#): > > Hmmmmm…you know I just thought of something…With the rhetorical " screening tool" how will it differentate between what the child wants and what the adult wants? Child molesters/pedophiles are MANIPULATORS!!! > A kid will pretty much be pressured into doing something like that any and every time. Especially if they think that the adult is a friend. Sorry…but I’ve seen FAR too many bad outcomes from that sort of thing. > I know we’ve had some people on the board going " maybe it’s not the molestation that’s so bad, but the reaction to it" > Sorry…but if a kid doesn’t get treated they start REALLY acting out …like drugs and alkyhol and fucked up ideas about sex and relationships. Requirements 3, 4, and 5 all relate to this, though requirement 3 is the most relevent, I think. > [@fuzzypickles](#): > > Picky, picky. :rolleyes: > Considering your performance here, I shudder to think what you consider “poor behavior” to be. It largely resembled the straw-man you’ve managed to construct here of me. > [@NineToTheSky](#): > > To be fair, threads are started by others which reference him, so I guess he feels either obligated or tempted to respond. > > A better idea might be to have a moratorium on threads about paedophilia for a while. For the record, other boards I’m on have banned the topic outright, and we’ve gotten along wonderfully. If no one’s spreading lies about it, I don’t need to correct those lies, after all. > [@supergoose](#): > > Whatever. It’s your life. I appreciate that you respect that. > [@supergoose](#): > > Uh, good. I’m not interested in you either. > > I was responding to the idea that being a pedophile is something everyone would find unacceptable in a partner. People can’t help their sexual attractions and their feelings and thoughts (manage them, yes, but you can’t help that they pop up in the first place), and I don’t like the idea that some people should be universally discarded just based on that. > > I’m sure there are things I can’t help but feel and be drawn to that others would find distasteful or abhorrent (homosexual feelings, death, and torture/killing, mainly) and I don’t think that makes me a completely horrible person who should be taken out back and shot. Granted, pedophilia is viewed as particularly awful, but I think the principle stands - that we are what we _do_. > > I imagined someone coming in and saying, so you’d date Cesario? My comment about your resentment being more of a problem was meant to forestall that. I really was trying to lighten the mood with that line. Sadly, my humor doesn’t translate well into forum text, apparently. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Oh, and **Cesario** , it doesn’t matter how “big” or “small” you are, a little girl’s vagina is NOT ready to have sex. She’s not going to be lubricating, I would imagine (good god, I think I need a drink…and a long, hot shower with a brillo pad) Neither is a post-menopausal woman, yet they manage to get by. Either use your imagination or stop pretending you’ve thought this through. Your choice. > [@eleanorigby](#): > > I am not about to attempt to explain why playing doctor is normal and an adult having sex with a child is not, **Cesario.** You have shown that you are incapable of discussing this distasteful topic in anything but a hectoring, baiting manner and you are convinced that you are correct and that society is merely blinded by prejudice. Pedophilia is not your father’s homosexuality. You and others like you are not going to find society changing its mind about your “need” for pleasure. Cry me a river. You haven’t been reading my arguments, have you? ---
**Author:** ![MoodIndigo1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@MoodIndigo1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoodIndigo1)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/388 "2009-10-06T02:18:33Z")
> [@Cesario](#): > > Neither is a post-menopausal woman, yet they manage to get by. Uh, how would you know that about post-menopausal women? That’s first news to me, I’d better have myself checked. Lubrification still working fine. One question has been niggling me: your competency test won’t be applicable to infants and toddlers, so why include them on your preference list? Was that 0-10 age group just chosen for shock value? If you’re a troll, you certainly got what you were seeking. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/389 "2009-10-06T02:45:11Z")
Yeah, who wants to date a baby? You can’t take them to the movies or anything, and forget about a nice romantic dinner, unless the restaurant can supply a high chair and bib. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/390 "2009-10-06T02:55:49Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Correction: there are no merits. So, presuming there are some is indeed tantamount to approval (or at least condoning). There aren’t 2 sides to having sex with children, no matter how hard **Cesario** tries to get us to understand his terrible hardship in restraining himself. There are worthwhile arguments to make. You could argue that society needs to adopt a different term for sex with an underaged person so that those of weaker intellects will stop conflating it with violent predation because it shares the same word. You could argue that the current sentences for sexual contact with factually willing children are overly harsh, both on average (because it is inevitable that some will be falsely convicted) and compared to what other things receive a similar sentence in our overworked justice system. In fact, I am of those opinions, even though because the percentage of sexual contact between adults and the prepubescent is certainly heavily skewed in favor of being started by the adult, and therefore it follows that many instances where factual coercion occured are currently prosecuted even though there is insufficient evidence for violence, it would seem that from a purely utilitarian perspective, the benefits of harsh sentences and policing might outweigh the increase in freedom for some factually consenting children and adults because the social costs of factual coercion are so high. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/391 "2009-10-06T03:52:24Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Yeah, who wants to date a baby? You can’t take them to the movies or anything, and forget about a nice romantic dinner, unless the restaurant can supply a high chair and bib. True, but what man doesn’t like to feel “big” during sex? And if you’re lacking in God-given size, what choice do you have but to miniaturize your partners? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/392 "2009-10-06T04:11:35Z")
You know, someone should just send this whole thread (and the other one in GD) to Dan Savage. Maybe he can make sense of it. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/393 "2009-10-06T04:19:42Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > You know, someone should just send this whole thread (and the other one in GD) to Dan Savage. Maybe he can make sense of it. Most likely he’d coin a new phrase from it- \*Cesario (v): to pretend you have predilections that are even more revolting than your real ones. \* ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/394 "2009-10-06T04:52:41Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Yeah, who wants to date a baby? You can’t take them to the movies or anything, and forget about a nice romantic dinner, unless the restaurant can supply a high chair and bib. Or really extreme would be -1 to 0. You’re at a fancy restaurant with a pregant women and the waiter, noticing the pregant women, says, “Your date looks lovely tonight.” “She’s not my date.” ---
**Author:** ![AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/395 "2009-10-06T08:15:33Z")
> [@](#): > > And since what I want is for them to have their actual capabilities acknowledge and respected… Cesario, I think you don’t understand that we’re not being all " ewwww kid-adult sex!!!" b/c it’s some sort of conditioned cultural thing. Basic developemental psychology says that little kids aren’t “developed” EMOITIONALLY to really know about sex and its proper place in realtionships. You may yap on and on about how your screening tool will prevent that…But the fact of the matter is, is that ANYONE under 13 is far more interested in playing then sex. Even the geniuses or the kids who are “mature” for their ages don’t really have a great hold on what exactly sex is. Heck many teens are still trying to figure all that out you know. Yes, genitials are hardwired to feel good when you stimulate them. BUT, the thing is …KIDS are at the developmental stage of discovering what it means to be human. They don’t have the concept of sex as lovemaking…they are at a completely different developmental stage! Virtually all adults are NOT at that stage. I honestly think you don’t remember what it was like to be a kid. I think almost everyone on the board can look back at when they were a kid or a teen…when they thought they knew EVERYTHING…and you just smile at what an out of it DORK you were back then! And the reason why I refered to my friend’s experiances as rape is b/c it WAS RAPE! It was rape plain and simple. It was a classic pedophile set up. The jr high gym teacher RAPED (took advantage) of two girls who " consented" They thought they were in a realtionship with him. (and I’m sure HE thought that the realtionship was OK) but both of them are now really fucked up. You keep on yapping about the difference between child molesters and pedophile, as if they are two completely different things. Sorry…but there ARE active pedophiles out there!!! I can name TONS of them…the one from “I Know My First Name is Stephen”, the dude who kidnapped and raped Elizabeth Smart, and MANY others! And yes the FBI stat may be legit…but maybe it simply reflects on how few people really are true pedos…and it does seem that almost all the active ones (as well as the nonactive ones) are batshit insane. ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/396 "2009-10-06T09:03:21Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Yeah, who wants to date a baby? You can’t take them to the movies or anything, and forget about a nice romantic dinner, unless the restaurant can supply a high chair and bib. Let me tell you what, your date better not disrupt me with her screaming and crying when I’m out having dinner. If she starts throwing a tantrum, have some courtesy for fellow diners who don’t want to hear toddler screams while they digest their food. Be a responsible date. _combines two hot button issues in one little comment_ ---
**Author:** ![Fiveroptic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiveroptic/32/8257_2.png) [@Fiveroptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveroptic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/397 "2009-10-06T10:35:06Z")
Yeah! Take her to a chain restaurant where they have crayons for the activities place mats. \*Button #3. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/398 "2009-10-06T11:55:45Z")
And then don’t tip. Button #4 Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/399 "2009-10-06T12:32:35Z")
Of course, you’ll have to order milk… ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/400 "2009-10-06T12:56:19Z")
I just can’t seem to picture Chucky Cheese by candle-light. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveroptic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiveroptic/32/8257_2.png) [@Fiveroptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveroptic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/401 "2009-10-06T14:37:36Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Of course, you’ll have to order milk… But are refills free? And what if his date wants chocolate milk the next time and isn’t asked before being refilled? Buttons #5 and #6 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973.md?page=21)