# Cesario, you're awfully sanctimonious for a pedophile **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 29, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973 "2009-09-29T14:48:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/542 "2009-10-07T21:45:25Z")
What legal genius. William Jennings Bryant must be eating his heart out. The point is, the first phrase states what he wants. And so does the second. He wants to fuck toddlers - end of statement; it’s just that pesky law that’s in the way. ---
**Author:** ![supergoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@supergoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/supergoose)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/543 "2009-10-07T21:54:48Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You have to scroll pretty far down to find this because **Cesario** ’s posts are interminable. Anyway he did say he’d feel obligated to break the laws, but wouldn’t do it anyway, so you are probably technically right, **supergoose**. Nonetheless you can probably see why this gives people the creeps even compared to his other posts. Woah. I completely missed him posting that. Sorry, **miamouse**. That is definitely on the creepy side and kind of crossing the line a bit regarding the whole not allowed to advocate breaking the law issue, in my humble opinion. Thank you for digging that up, **Marley23**. ---
**Author:** ![Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8491ac/32.png) [@Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fake_Tales_of_San_Francisco)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/544 "2009-10-07T21:55:21Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > The point is, the first phrase states what he wants. And so does the second. He wants to fuck toddlers - end of statement; it’s just that pesky law that’s in the way. But saying there is ‘no difference’ is clearly wrong. It’s just because the subject matter is so emotionally charged that you can’t see that. It’s exactly the same concept as if being gay was illegal. You want to fuck guys either way, but there’s a difference if it’s illegal or not. I’m not making a moral equivalence there by the way. Law is not our guide for morality. The age of consent being lower in Victoria, Australia than it is in the US has no bearing on whether those pesky Aussies are more or less morally astute than Americans. In fact, in Victoria it is a defence in a court of law if the younger person is 10 years old and the older 12 years old. Is that morally wrong or morally right? That’s up for debate, but it has little bearing on it being legal or not. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/545 "2009-10-07T22:15:13Z")
> [@Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](#): > > But saying there is ‘no difference’ is clearly wrong. It’s just because the subject matter is so emotionally charged that you can’t see that. It’s exactly the same concept as if being gay was illegal. You want to fuck guys either way, but there’s a difference if it’s illegal or not. Here’s the thing. “I want to fuck gay guys,” “I want to change the law so I can fuck gay guys.” Both the same thinking. Both the same end result. The question is NOT a question of legality here, the question is whether you consider gay sex to be right or wrong. “I want to fuck a three year old.” “I want to change the law and then fuck a three year old.” This is not a difficult concept to wrap your head around. Again, this has nothing to do with the law. This has to do with whether you consider child fucking to be acceptable or not. And if you do not, it makes no god damned difference whether there’s a law in place or not. It’s still wrong and the person who fucks the child is still wrong. I mean, what the hell? If tonight the laws against child molestation were wiped off the books and tomorrow someone came up to you asking where the nearest Babies R’ Us is because he has some anal lube and is looking for action you’d give him directions because the only consideration to you is whether there’s a law behind it? How much longer do we possibly need to debate this? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/546 "2009-10-07T22:18:44Z")
> [@Cesario](#): > > The old “only a queer would defend another queer”? Me thinks you doth protesth too much? No. I was referring to his speaking for victims of sexual abuse. He seemed to know exactly how they were feeling, and he didn’t seem to offer up any studies or proof of this. I simply asked, “are you speaking from experience?” Look, I’m not necessarily calling for **Cesario** ’s banning – so far he’s following the rulings. He’s a creep, yes, but sadly, being a creep isn’t against the rules. I do say, he should be asked to branch out and quit with the obsession with “youth rights”, and barging into topics with his ass on fire, “It doesn’t matter that she was thirteen when he raped her – rape should be the only charge!” Basically, no “threadshitting.” ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/547 "2009-10-07T22:34:35Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > You’re just making stuff up, again. > > The whole hero schtick is something you have imagined in order to make a silly point since you have no point beyond the opportunity to throw brickbats at the staff. Given that there is not unanimity of opinion as to whether cesario should be permitted to post, I am simply one poster among several who hold for the affirmative. It takes neither bravery nor cowardice to simply hold the position one maintains when neither choice results in reward or punishment. > It is something you are making up because you have no serious point to make. You’re the one who brought up “bravery”, kiddo. Kind of like how Mark Antony came “to bury Caesar not to praise him”. 😉 I do find it amusing that you won’t address the rules that you choose to ignore. Very brave! > [@](#): > > You will assume whatever you choose to assume without any input from me. Looking over this thread, I see a clear opinion that cesario is loathsome and quite possibly a troll, but I see no such unanimous opinion that he needs to be silenced. You will note that several posters, including at least one who has been a victim of the behavior that cesario champions, are not in agreement with your call to silence him. Your “cowardice” charge is just silly, as there is no threat to me for taking either position. The topic is merely something that makes you uncomfortable and you would prefer that the powers that be prevent you from seeing it. See, here’s the thing. You’re not Bill Clinton. This board is not run by popular opinion. If you can’t see that, you shouldn’t be a mod. ---
**Author:** ![miamouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ad7895/32.png) [@miamouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miamouse)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/548 "2009-10-07T22:35:30Z")
> [@supergoose](#): > > When did he say that? **Marley** found the post I was talking about. (But as I was writing this I notice you answered, nevermind) These others are the rest of what I was posting about: > [@](#): > > Like someone above mentioned, lack of secondary sex characteristics is a positive for me, though my interest isn’t so much androgenous adults as it is prepubescent girls. > > As for body type within that group, I’ve got a rather wide range, though my preference for a generally low level of body fat stems more from the fact that high levels of body fat tend to push puberty sooner than anything else. > [@](#): > > While my primary age of attraction is 0-10, I have a secondary attraction to adults in the “normal” range. Basically, it just means that I’m not interested in the ones going through puberty. I preffer before but am largely okay after. I still call bullshit. Just like I don’t believe that he has any attraction to adults, I don’t believe that he hasn’t acted on his impulses. Have you asked yourself _why_ he’s so confident he won’t be caught? My fear is that he’s already gotten away with it. **mswas** , it’s been about 5 days since you contacted Ed Zotti, any response? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/549 "2009-10-07T22:58:18Z")
> [@leander](#): > > This board is not run by popular opinion. Sure it is. Popular opinion lets TPTB know if there’s a potential problem; TPTB then use their own popular opinion to determine if there is a problem and what to do about it. Popular opinion has also occasionally resulted in a decision being reversed or at least toned down. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/550 "2009-10-07T23:00:38Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Then what the fuck is your point? You’ve had people come in and tell you about your experiences, and then you go on and on, creating this huge strawman, exaggerating and completely making an ass of yourself. I apologize for all the hurt that everyone has experienced as a result of enthusiastically encouraging sexual contact with an adult when they were a child. I must have missed all of those posts. ---
**Author:** ![fuzzypickles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9d8465/32.png) [@fuzzypickles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fuzzypickles)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/551 "2009-10-07T23:09:30Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > If it’s legal, it’s not child molestation anymore, just like if it’s legal, it’s not called murder. It would still be child molestation whether it was legal or not. Children would still be traumatized by unwanted sexual contact from adults, and they would require the same therapy to undue the psychological damage – the only change would that it would become impossible to exact any restitution since their abusers are no longer breaking the law. I wonder how long **Cesario’s** argument would stand – how he doesn’t fuck kids because it would traumatize them, not because he fears any legal repercussions – if it suddenly became legal for him to fuck children? Would he remain celibate, steadfast in his claim that society is “holding a gun to his lover’s head,” due to the way psychiatry treats victims of sexual abuse? No, I think you’d find a sudden change in **Cesario’s** behavior, where he’s no longer concerned with society’s disdain for sex with children, and instead would be writing in his blog where he brags about his recent sexual conquests. Think about it – the guy has no moral integrity whatsoever. :mad: > [@miamouse](#): > > Just like I don’t believe that he has any attraction to adults, I don’t believe that he hasn’t acted on his impulses. Have you asked yourself _why_ he’s so confident he won’t be caught? My fear is that he’s already gotten away with it. Oh, he’s already gotten away with a lot, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![supergoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@supergoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/supergoose)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/552 "2009-10-07T23:16:23Z")
> [@miamouse](#): > > Have you asked yourself _why_ he’s so confident he won’t be caught? My fear is that he’s already gotten away with it. He hasn’t shown himself to be lacking in the confidence department. He could also be confident he won’t be caught because he’s never tried to evade capture. (Everything’s easier in your mind, until real life intrudes and things start going randomly wrong.) ---
**Author:** ![miamouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ad7895/32.png) [@miamouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miamouse)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/553 "2009-10-07T23:32:39Z")
> [@fuzzypickles](#): > > Oh, he’s already gotten away with a lot, that’s for sure. If that’s the case then someone who’s a mandatory reporter should say something. From here: > **[Illinois Department of Children & Family Services](https://dcfs.illinois.gov/)** > > More... > [@](#): > > …state law mandates that workers in certain professions must make reports if they have reasonable cause to suspect abuse or neglect. ---
**Author:** ![supergoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@supergoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/supergoose)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/554 "2009-10-07T23:36:33Z")
> [@miamouse](#): > > If that’s the case then someone who’s a mandatory reporter should say something. > > From here: > [Illinois Department of Children & Family Services](http://www.state.il.us/dcfs/child/index.shtml) You can’t possibly mean someone here on this board should do so, do you? Or does \*\*fuzzypickles \*\*have any solid evidence to back up his assertion that \*\*Cesario \*\*has “gotten away with a lot, that’s for sure”? ---
**Author:** ![miamouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ad7895/32.png) [@miamouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miamouse)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/555 "2009-10-08T00:16:23Z")
I mean to say that if someone has “reasonable cause to suspect abuse or neglect” they should call. If he’s telling the truth then he should not be worried at all then should he? ETA: That’s my opinion. If he has a right to say the things he has because that’s his opinion, then I have the right to mine. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/556 "2009-10-08T00:20:17Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No, I’m saying discarding the analogy because of _current_ illegality is silly, because if you include the past, then the situations are analogous. Which was where I was going with it. I have no wish for 3 year olds to suddenly become legal, but then I don’t see Cesario’s checklist passing them, either. Maybe a particularly-precocious 10yo, though… And that’s a good thing? (Not that it would ever happen.) At the same time, in theory, let’s say in society, you now have to take a test every time you meet a new lover – how arrousing is that? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/557 "2009-10-08T00:25:09Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > And that’s a good thing? (Not that it would ever happen.) If you can find the ten year old that can pass it, they’re probably more ready for sex than I was when I lost my virginity at 20. Really, that’s the thing–his standard for “able to consent” isn’t bad, which is why I asked him what he’d do if it proved no one he was primarily attracted to would ever be able to consent. > [@](#): > > At the same time, in theory, let’s say in society, you now have to take a test every time you meet a new lover – how arrousing is that? You were never a male trying to date/have sex on a college campus in the last ten years, I take it–you practically had to carry around legal consent forms and documents to avoid false rape charges. (I exaggerate, but not by much, considering I was the victim of one such charge–in that it was yes yes yes and when she said no I stopped.) ---
**Author:** ![supergoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@supergoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/supergoose)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/558 "2009-10-08T00:25:14Z")
> [@miamouse](#): > > I mean to say that if someone has “reasonable cause to suspect abuse or neglect” they should call. If he’s telling the truth then he should not be worried at all then should he? No, but someone reporting suspected abuse or neglect based on internet postings that don’t even contain a vague admission of guilt made by an anonymous poster should be prepared to not be taken very seriously by the person receiving their calls. > [@miamouse](#): > > ETA: That’s my opinion. If he has a right to say the things he has because that’s his opinion, then I have the right to mine. Yes, you do, as do I. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/559 "2009-10-08T03:11:09Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > You have some imaginary scenario where his posting on a message board and being held in utter contempt by every other poster is going to lead to some child somewhere being molested? > I can come up with an imaginary scenario whereby posters reading his crap will come to recognize the odd workings inside his skull and, recognizing the symptoms in some other individual, rescue a child from harm, > > I am not going to pretend that I believe that is a reason to encourage that crap, but it is every bit as realistic as your unsupported and insupportable extrapolation. Well then , answer me this. Why is he posting his ugly desires on this message board? > [@](#): > > I have been a programmer, then unemployed, then working in retail. I’ve never worn a Roman collar even as a joke, and I find your attempts at an insult to be at about the same silly level as your other arguments. No insult was intended. Just a comeback on **Jodi’s** behalf. Not that she needs any help. Her arguments are very persuasive for me. Unlike yours. That is an intended insult. Am I being silly for the umpteenth time ? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/560 "2009-10-08T03:21:49Z")
> [@supergoose](#): > > No, but someone reporting suspected abuse or neglect based on internet postings that don’t even contain a vague admission of guilt made by an anonymous poster should be prepared to not be taken very seriously by the person receiving their calls. I’ve been trying to imagine that conversation all thread, since a couple of people have said the mods should contact the authorities. It’d probably go like this: “Police department of [town **Cesario** is in].” “Hi there, I’d like to report a pedophile I found on the internet.” “Do you have reason to believe this person plans to abuse a child?” “No. Mostly he’s saying he should be allowed to have sex with children if they consented.” “Has he confessed to a crime?” “He says he wouldn’t break the law.” “Do you believe he’s harmed a child in the past?” “He says he hasn’t. I don’t know.” “Do you have reason to believe this person is in possession of child pornography?” “No.” “Has he been grooming a child or discussed doing so?” “No. He says he’s into kids younger than 10, and there aren’t any on the site.” “Is this person a registered sex offender?” “Not as far as I know.” “So what would you like us to do?” “I felt like I should say something, in case it helps.” “Thank you.” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/561 "2009-10-08T03:40:19Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > “Do you have reason to believe this person plans to abuse a child?” > “No. Mostly he’s saying he should be allowed to have sex with children if they consented.” No? So why bother calling? Consent doers not wipe out abuse. Have you heard about the recidivism rate for child abusers ? Does that have no bearing on the likelyhood of a pedophile to offend ? We know how well abstinence only programs work. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973.md?page=29)