# Cesario, you're awfully sanctimonious for a pedophile **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 29, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973 "2009-09-29T14:48:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/61 "2009-09-29T18:24:21Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I wonder if he did so for the mother of that “very attractive 4-year old” he was hitting on. God, that makes me want to throw up every time I read it. You know, in addition to what **Diogenes** pointed out in his previous post, I would add that there is a difference between merely talking about your personal sexual preference (which, in and of itself, I find repugnant [edit: I am referring specifically to pedophilia here]) and going beyond that to openly debate and advocate for the legalization of sex with children. If **cesario** needs to talk about that, maybe he can tape record himself saying it and then listen to it in the privacy of his own home, because I can guarantee that nobody else (besides, perhaps, other pedophiles) wants to hear about it. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/62 "2009-09-29T18:24:36Z")
> [@Jodi](#): > > He can say whatever he likes and I am by no means raising an argument against free speech. But he runs the risk that those who hear his free speech will react strongly against it, with contempt and disgust, as I do. He is entitled to say what he wants; he is not entitled to make people hear it, nor to dictate their responses if and when they do. > > There is a point at which tolerance becomes a negative, when we proceed as if in the name of Tolerance we should not name that which is evil nor raise our voices against it. Sometimes I think people around here keep their minds so open their brains fall out. I think we are in agreement, I just misunderstood your post. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/63 "2009-09-29T18:25:38Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Would you rather him go to a pedophile message board where other people agree with him and they can give each other positive reinforcement and encouragement? I don’t care where he goes, as long as he shuts up about it on here. And I sincerely doubt that his posting on the SDMB is somehow preventing him from also posting on some pedophile message board somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/64 "2009-09-29T18:27:36Z")
But he gets negative reinforcement here on the Dope. That’s the point. What you all are saying is, ‘go hide your disease, keep it out of our sensitive headspace.’, rather than accepting that this is a forum for open debate. Why must he shut up? Why can’t you control yourself enough to scroll past his posts? ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/65 "2009-09-29T18:29:14Z")
Actually, based on the tone of his posts, I think he likes the attention he gets here on the SDMB. Besides, we’re not his mommy or his therapist. Do you really think that a bunch of negative reinforcement from the SDMB is going to make him think, “Gee, maybe I shouldn’t think that sex with children is OK?” I think the best we can hope for is, “Gee, maybe I should SHUT THE FUCK UP about this topic.” ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/66 "2009-09-29T18:38:07Z")
It might. Basically there is a tendency on these forums to try and shut people up that I just do not experience elsewhere. This forum has an ignore feature. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/67 "2009-09-29T18:38:38Z")
And to answer the question of why I can’t “control myself” enough to scroll past his posts: That would be a little easier if he would quit bringing his pedophiliac threadshittery into a bunch of unrelated or barely related threads. The Roman Polanski thread, for example, had nothing to do with the topic of whether children should be capable of consensual sex, until **cesario** came in and turned it into the **cesario** show again. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/68 "2009-09-29T18:39:44Z")
Umm the Roman Polanski thread is definitely about Pedophilia. People hijack things with their pet issues here all the time. His pet issue is kind of disgusting, to be certain, but if all of you ignored him at the same time it would be highly unlikely that you’d even see his posts quoted. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/69 "2009-09-29T18:41:26Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Actually, I think I have to disagree with this (sorry, GK). To a certain extent, Cesario is doing what he should be doing to legitimize his point of view. That, right there, is the problem. He is trying to legitimize his desires. He does not see them as wrong. I cannot find any sympathy for that position. Unless I have completely misunderstood Cesario’s postings, it is hard not to infer that they would have sex with a child if they could get away with it. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/70 "2009-09-29T18:45:52Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > That, right there, is the problem. He is trying to legitimize his desires. He does not see them as wrong. > > I cannot find any sympathy for that position. Unless I have completely misunderstood Cesario’s postings, it is hard not to infer that they would have sex with a child if they could get away with it. So? If he could come up with a persuasive argument then we would change our minds. That he can’t - and he’s both obsessed and intelligent - says a lot to a hypothetical observer on the fence, as it were. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/71 "2009-09-29T18:49:09Z")
How do we know this guy isn’t a troll? He’s certainly hitting all the right buttons to outrage and offend and this type of extreme position is just the sort of thing that trolls love to stake out. I mean, zero to ten? That lower figure is purely for effect. He actually wrote that previously in one of his posts, then edited it out. I saw his post go up and was in the process of replying when I realized he’d removed the quote I was about to comment on. I think he was worried that such a statement made the trolling too obvious. Later, when he felt more confident in his trolling, he posted it again. I think this guy is pure 100% bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/72 "2009-09-29T18:50:35Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > He has been careful to put his postings in terms of a pedophile utopia where there are no legal or societal barriers to sex with children. He has noted that he lives by the laws of the United States and that includes that pesky one about not being a molester. OTOH, he has also stated that the only thing stopping him from molesting children is that he doesn’t want to suffer the consequences. Also that violating an unjust law, which he considers laws against child molestation to be, is a moral duty. It’s just a moral duty he (allegedly) doesn’t carry out because he is not willing to suffer the consequences. He waffled a little after he said it, and then went into attack mode, which is often a sign of recognition that one has said too much. As I mentioned, he is mentally if not physically fapping it because he gets to discuss his perversions. Or maybe he is just a troll. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/73 "2009-09-29T18:52:46Z")
> [@fuzzypickles](#): > > There is some historical precedent, such as the [Sperm Warriors of New Guinea](http://www.gettingit.com/article/56). However, such rituals are _accepted by their culture_, which makes a HUGE difference. Okay, that’s seriously fucked up. Eeeewwwww. (As for “it’s their culture”, bullshit. “Culture” doesn’t make something automatically ethical) What’s really creepy about his defense about the age aspect of the Polanski rape case? The victim would already have been past his age of attraction. Where was the thread where he brought up the hypothetical about waking up and finding a six-year-old um, “performing” on him, and how when she was finished, he’d gentley explain that next time, she needs to ask permission – because most people aren’t “like him.” Or something like that – I can’t remember exactly. (He also brings up that the trauma is due to “cultural shaming.”) ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/74 "2009-09-29T18:54:18Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > How do we know this guy isn’t a troll? Yeah, I’m wondering the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/75 "2009-09-29T18:56:48Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Umm the Roman Polanski thread is definitely about Pedophilia. People hijack things with their pet issues here all the time. His pet issue is kind of disgusting, to be certain, but if all of you ignored him at the same time it would be highly unlikely that you’d even see his posts quoted. No, it wasn’t. It was about statutory rape, but the girl in question wasn’t prepubescent. Besides, even if she were underage, it was still rape because of the forcible element. ---
**Author:** ![wierdaaron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eada6e/32.png) [@wierdaaron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wierdaaron)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/76 "2009-09-29T18:57:00Z")
A troll who lives under a bridge and lures in small children…? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/77 "2009-09-29T19:05:06Z")
> [@Angry Lurker](#): > > So? If he could come up with a persuasive argument then we would change our minds. “So?” Sorry, is there a part of “this man wants to have sex with children” that needs elaborated on? ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/78 "2009-09-29T19:06:58Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > To be honest, I have more of a problem with your position than I do with his. I think that if we are going to discuss pedophilia I’d rather have an open pedophile telling us his views in the course of that discussion. > > He’s right the age of consent IS sort of arbitrary, there is no reason to believe something magical happens at 18 that makes a person smarter and more with it than when they were 16. So there’s a fuzzy line. Mostly just responding to this because it’s here… Anyway, I agree that there’s a fuzzy line. There are probably plenty of 16 year olds who are at least as mature as 18 year olds, if not moreso. I can understand arguing that maybe it should be fuzzy like, for instance, always okay over 18, always wrong under 16, and case by case in between (note: not advocating that, just a supposition). However, he’s specifically advocated NO age of consent. > [@](#): > > Of course I think that 0-10 year olds are way beyond the fuzziness of that line which I would only say applies to older teenagers. But I think it’s cool that we have someone expressing such an unpopular viewpoint. I agree with the second sentence here. I think unpopular viewpoints are great because it’s often difficult to understand what someone that is widely looked at as utterly repugnant can possibly be thinking. However, it’s only helpful if that person presents it in a helpful way. When someone puts forth a wildly unpopular view, like his assertion that age of consent laws exist to illegalize consensual sex, it needs to be supported. > [@](#): > > I get tired of the witch hunts around here where people gang up and try to stifle speech by haranguing people into shutting up about a minority opinion. It’s probably healthier for him and every kid he is around to hear constantly that it’s not ok, it should not be considered ok, and that he better not do anything. This has at least not been my perspective. If he really wants to debate honestly about age of consent laws, then I’d like to see some evidence put forth to support his ideals. Does he think a 4 year old can meaningfully give consent to sexual advances? Maybe there’s some studies he can provide about the cognitive and emotional development of children that flies in the face of the common belief that 4 year olds aren’t as developed as adults. Sure, I think some people are just skeeved out and want him gone. But I don’t think that just because he has an unpopular opinion and people don’t want to talk to him about it means that it’s necessarily some kind of witch hunt. He really comes across like he has some sort of serious psychological problems, and he’s not even attempting to keep it relevant. Someone upthread said something to the effect that he’d been in 26 threads and 24 of them he’d mentioned this. It’s the mark of someone who either has a very serious problem or is trolling; not someone who wants an honest debate about the ethics of age of consent laws. > [@](#): > > Would you rather him go to a pedophile message board where other people agree with him and they can give each other positive reinforcement and encouragement? If he’s honest the I would like him to either be debate it honestly, or shut up and get help. If he’s not, he’s a troll and still needs to go. ---
**Author:** ![fuzzypickles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9d8465/32.png) [@fuzzypickles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fuzzypickles)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/79 "2009-09-29T19:09:37Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > I mean, zero to ten? That lower figure is purely for effect. He actually wrote that previously in one of his posts, then edited it out. I saw his post go up and was in the process of replying when I realized he’d removed the quote I was about to comment on. I think he was worried that such a statement made the trolling too obvious. His stated Age of Attraction does seem to be rather broad, compared to many perverts I’ve observed in the past. I dunno, maybe he enjoys playing the field. That being said, the “evidence” he cites to support his argument is in line with just about every pedophile advocate website out there, and his confrontational style is rather unrestrained and immature for someone who’s merely interested in stirring up the waters. So my guess is that he’s more of an attention whore, rather than a bonafide troll. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I guess I’m grateful, to that extent, that h’s willing to identify himself up front. > > I wonder if he did so for the mother of that “very attractive 4-year old” he was hitting on. One can only speculate, of course, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the mother’s telling her friends about the Very Nice Young Man who just moved in next door, and her children seem to adore him, and he has a lot of free time since he’s not tied down to a girlfriend or anything, maybe he’s available to babysit on the weekend? Yeah…be afraid, be very afraid. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/80 "2009-09-29T19:17:04Z")
> [@NineToTheSky](#): > > Just for the record, he has appeared in 24 threads, all but two of them on either sex or juveniles, or both. > > He says (in one of the two on other subjects) that he was badly bullied. > > Apart from the above, he seems to have a one track mind, nay, an obsession when it comes to sex and children. It can’t be healthy. It’ll all end in tears, mark my words. We can only hope the tears are his. I would be ok with that ending. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973.md?page=5)