# Cesario, you're awfully sanctimonious for a pedophile **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 29, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973 "2009-09-29T14:48:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/842 "2009-10-19T18:01:50Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > \*\*Cesario \*\*supports pedophilia. He believes it should not be illegal. And he can advocate that as long as he wants. As long as he doesn’t break the law, I don’t feel that his speech should be criminal or constrained. I have no problem with people hating on child molesters (which Cesario is, by his own statement, not). I have no problem with people telling him his ideas are wrong. I DO have a problem with people calling him a child molester when he has not yet. I DO have a problem with people saying he should be banned for advocating a change in laws while saying he has no plans of breaking those laws. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/843 "2009-10-19T18:05:19Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > A pedophile is, to quote the OED, “an adult who is sexually attracted to young children.” **Cesario** is a pedophile. > > As long as there are pedophiles around young children will be in danger from them. They can swear daily on a stack of Bibles 10 miles high that they wouldn’t harm a hair on the little cherubs’ heads, they still, because of their perverse desires, pose a threat to kids. > > But no. According to **Cesario** ’s champions only actual child molesters pose any threat to children. Before they cross that line they are as safe with children as any other adult. > > It’s self-evidently preposterous, of course, but such is, or seems to be their position. Do feel free to correct me, Cesariophiles. Look, here’s the deal: you’d have to arrest me for beating the shit out of people who annoyed me if you also wanted to arrest Cesario for child molestation. I think that’s bullshit, because I haven’t beat the shit out of any people even if I’ve thought about it, pictured it, balled up a fist. (don’t spill your fucking bud light on me in bars, as an aside, even if you are a tiny chick who thinks she’s hot shit) But how about this: You post a list of five names of people who will be arrested this month and later convicted of molesting children. Should be easy for you, what with your PsiCorps Thought Police decoder ring. Until you can do that successfully, I’ll stick with punishing people for what they do and not what they say or what goes on inside their skulls. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Well, see, that makes a lot more sense, but you had to go and shorten it into “hell yes I support any pedophile…” et cetera et cetera. You can understand my confusion, what with the turnip for brains and all. So you’re saying, since you left out the rest of my quote, that you support pedophiles who DON’T control themselves and who molest any children who strike their fancy. Good to know, asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/844 "2009-10-19T18:43:47Z")
You know who I don’t support? A pedophile who announces that not only does he want to have sex with children, but that he could get away with it at any time if he wanted to. You’ll excuse me for not offering him the benefit of any doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/845 "2009-10-19T19:17:28Z")
As long as you’re not arguing he should be killed out of hand or banned, I don’t really care how much of an asshole you think he is–I doubt I’d even disagree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/846 "2009-10-19T19:31:11Z")
Killed? Of course not. As I said earlier, I’m not psychotic. Banned? I wouldn’t shed a tear. But then again, I’ve never shed a tear over anyone being banned, including \*\*Satan \*\*back in the day and he was a personal friend of mine. However, if the only thing he ever talks about is his … predelictions, shall we say … and the mods came to the conclusion that enough is enough and his one trick is no longer welcomed here … then, yeah, I’d probably toast to his (virtual) demise. But that’s neither here nor there. I just don’t see the merit in discussing the situation with him. Not that I don’t think the discussions shouldn’t be had at all … just not with him. It tacitly offers a benefit of doubt which, as I said, I’m not willing to offer him. If that’s a character flaw against me … I’ll accept it. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/847 "2009-10-19T19:35:36Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Look, here’s the deal: you’d have to arrest me for beating the shit out of people who annoyed me if you also wanted to arrest Cesario for child molestation. I think that’s bullshit, because I haven’t beat the shit out of any people even if I’ve thought about it, pictured it, balled up a fist. (don’t spill your fucking bud light on me in bars, as an aside, even if you are a tiny chick who thinks she’s hot shit) > > But how about this: You post a list of five names of people who will be arrested this month and later convicted of molesting children. Should be easy for you, what with your PsiCorps Thought Police decoder ring. Until you can do that successfully, I’ll stick with punishing people for what they do and not what they say or what goes on inside their skulls. > > So you’re saying, since you left out the rest of my quote, that you support pedophiles who DON’T control themselves and who molest any children who strike their fancy. Good to know, asshole. Nobody wants to arrest **Cesario** , you clown, or anybody else that hasn’t committed a crime. Thought Police, my hairy ass. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/848 "2009-10-19T20:29:41Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > However, if the only thing he ever talks about is his … predelictions, shall we say … and the mods came to the conclusion that enough is enough and his one trick is no longer welcomed here … then, yeah, I’d probably toast to his (virtual) demise. It’s unfortunate that it’s becoming the case both because he hasn’t not talked about it and he’s now the go-to name for pedophilia jokes. > [@](#): > > But that’s neither here nor there. I just don’t see the merit in discussing the situation with him. Not that I don’t think the discussions shouldn’t be had at all .. just not with him. It tacitly offers a benefit of doubt which, as I said, I’m not willing to offer him. If that’s a character flaw against me … I’ll accept it. Eh, whatever floats your boat–I had been appreciating the fact that he adds a very non-academic perspective to the discussion, which many times results in more clarity of the issues when there’s a real live object-of-discussion standing RIGHT THERE than when it’s all abstract. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/849 "2009-10-19T20:31:40Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Nobody wants to arrest **Cesario** , you clown, or anybody else that hasn’t committed a crime. Thought Police, my hairy ass. Uh-huh, sure. [QUOTE=aldiboronti] It would be an even better place if there were no goddam pedophiles at all. Swear to God, this thread sometimes reads like it’s Support Your Local Pedophile week. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=aldiboronti] As long as there are pedophiles around young children will be in danger from them. They can swear daily on a stack of Bibles 10 miles high that they wouldn’t harm a hair on the little cherubs’ heads, they still, because of their perverse desires, pose a threat to kids. [/QUOTE] Okay, so how were you planning on actualizing your responses to these thoughts WITHOUT arresting/killing/removing from society any and all pedophiles regardless of their actions? Draw me a map. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/850 "2009-10-19T21:06:36Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > So you’re saying, since you left out the rest of my quote, that you support pedophiles who DON’T control themselves and who molest any children who strike their fancy. Good to know, asshole. Exactly. You have unearthed the truth, good sir: my veneer of disgust toward pedophiles is but a mask concealing my support of child molestation. Now that I have admitted so, I shall expect your full support. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/851 "2009-10-20T03:18:01Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Exactly. You have unearthed the truth, good sir: my veneer of disgust toward pedophiles is but a mask concealing my support of child molestation. > > Now that I have admitted so, I shall expect your full support. Talk about it all you want–not that anything ever stops you from doing that. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/852 "2009-10-20T06:54:00Z")
> [@](#): > > I DO have a problem with people calling him a child molester when he has not yet Who’s called him a child molester? He IS a pedophile…he HAS refused to admit that there ARE indeed “active pedophiles” Meaning people who are attracted to children and who have convinced themselves that it’s OK to have sex/ perform sexual acts, inapropreatey touch children. I honesty have a probem with the fact that he REFUSES to admit that he’s mentally ill. Pedophillia is a mental illness. I’m sorry…but it IS. If he had ever seen those girls who have been sexually abused as children and who try to “heal” from that by sleeping around with everyone on earth, (with no real connection with anyone) or who think that everyone is out for sex (and that fucks up interpersonal realtionship skills) Peodphiles do not have the best interpersonal relationship skills. That’s why they think that kids are “hitting on them” They are also predators who prey on the innocent. The reason they are attracted to kids is b/c they KNOW they can take advantage of them! ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/853 "2009-10-20T12:51:01Z")
> [@AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](#): > > Who’s called him a child molester? He IS a pedophile…he HAS refused to admit that there ARE indeed “active pedophiles” Meaning people who are attracted to children and who have convinced themselves that it’s OK to have sex/ perform sexual acts, inapropreatey touch children. That’s not at all true: he has said that not all child molesters are pedophiles AND GIVEN CITES. > [@](#): > > I honesty have a probem with the fact that he REFUSES to admit that he’s mentally ill. Pedophillia is a mental illness. I’m sorry…but it IS. Whether or not that’s true, he claims to understand that doing what he wants to do with children is psychologically harmful and will likely be for the foreseeable future, so I don’t think it’s relevant. Technically, pedophilia in the same class of “mental illness” as homosexuality was and things like transvestism are now-- paraphilias are not disorders until they cause the person with the paraphilia “clinically significant distress”. > [@](#): > > If he had ever seen those girls who have been sexually abused as children and who try to “heal” from that by sleeping around with everyone on earth, (with no real connection with anyone) or who think that everyone is out for sex (and that fucks up interpersonal realtionship skills) Having been to college in the united states in the last decade and a half, amazingly I know a good number of both men and women who relate to sex with those actions who weren’t abused at all. > [@](#): > > Peodphiles do not have the best interpersonal relationship skills. That’s why they think that kids are “hitting on them” They are also predators who prey on the innocent. The reason they are attracted to kids is b/c they KNOW they can take advantage of them! That’s at best only true in the statistical sense, in that clinical pedophilia (and, interestingly, clinical hebephilia) is correlated with things like early head injuries and slightly lower IQ, and only possibly a correlation with cognitive function. This isn’t really a determining factor, though, because in order to be diagnosed as a clinical pedophile, it’s required that the patient has either acted on pedophilic urges or has been caused significant ongoing distress by those urges. Mere attraction to children doesn’t make one a pedophile according to the APA–all the correlations with other brain issues are entirely based on those attracted to children who HAVE acted on it, and it makes perfect sense that such people would have a higher incidence of brain issues reducing willpower or cognitive function. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/854 "2009-10-20T19:36:38Z")
As a minor note, there’s a current thread about fantasies of killing annoying motorists, lest anyone assume our bellies were unseedy. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/855 "2009-10-20T20:17:03Z")
And how many proud, noble psychopaths are contributing to it? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/856 "2009-10-20T21:36:05Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Whether or not that’s true, he claims to understand that doing what he wants to do with children is psychologically harmful and will likely be for the foreseeable future, so I don’t think it’s relevant. Technically, pedophilia in the same class of “mental illness” as homosexuality was and things like transvestism are now-- paraphilias are not disorders until they cause the person with the paraphilia “clinically significant distress”. That’s not quite true – he said that the only reason a child may be harmed by it is because SOCIETY convinces them so, and that they are TOLD that they were abused. His idea is that children WANT to have relations with adults. He says that pedophilia IS exactly the same as homosexuality, that it is only treated as an illness because of “homophobic bigots”. (In fact, that’s what he said NAMBLA is all about – protecting a segment of the population from the bigots who think they are perverts.) :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![fuzzypickles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9d8465/32.png) [@fuzzypickles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fuzzypickles)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/857 "2009-10-20T21:52:39Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Technically, pedophilia in the same class of “mental illness” as homosexuality was and things like transvestism are now-- paraphilias are not disorders until they cause the person with the paraphilia “clinically significant distress”. Ah, but his specific paraphilia IS causing him significant distress. He’s unable to form age-appropriate relationships with his peers, and he is socially shunned by all human beings who are privy to the nature of his sexual attraction. He also has a pathological need to be the center of attention, to portray himself as a “victim of society” wherever he goes – but that’s probably just his core personality, and I’m willing to believe that **Cesario** would act like a sanctimonious, narcissistic jerk even if he _wasn’t_ a rapist of toddlers. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/858 "2009-10-20T21:54:21Z")
I like how the people who are driving this thread at this late stage are those who said Cesario should be banned so that we wouldn’t have to talk about his ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/859 "2009-10-20T22:42:46Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I like how the people who are driving this thread at this late stage are those who said Cesario should be banned so that we wouldn’t have to talk about his ideas. Not everyone. I certainly don’t think he should be banned, at least not at this stage. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/860 "2009-10-20T22:53:44Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I like how the people who are driving this thread at this late stage are those who said Cesario should be banned so that we wouldn’t have to talk about his ideas. Care to give any names of posters contributing recently to this thread who called for **Cesario** ’s banning? I certainly haven’t. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/861 "2009-10-21T06:15:53Z")
> [@fuzzypickles](#): > > Ah, but his specific paraphilia IS causing him significant distress. Oh, this ought to be good… > [@](#): > > He’s unable to form age-appropriate relationships with his peers, and he is socially shunned by all human beings who are privy to the nature of his sexual attraction. Really? Got a cite for this? I do recall him specifically referencing his girlfriend. What’s not “age-appropriate” about that? And am I not a human being? I’ve already said I wouldn’t shun him. > [@](#): > > He also has a pathological need to be the center of attention, to portray himself as a “victim of society” wherever he goes – but that’s probably just his core personality I suppose we have your years of psychology training to thank for this oh-so-spot-on “analysis”, yes? > [@](#): > > , and I’m willing to believe that **Cesario** would act like a sanctimonious, narcissistic jerk even if he _wasn’t_ a rapist of toddlers. Do you \*really \*feel it serves your argument to straight-out _lie_ about your opponent? 😕 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973.md?page=44)