# Cesario, you're awfully sanctimonious for a pedophile **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 29, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973 "2009-09-29T14:48:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/902 "2009-10-26T15:42:45Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, guess what, Shamus; sarcasm is an endangered species because the sentiments you expressed facetiously have been expressed sincerely right on this very message board. I don’t doubt it. But _this_ thread was already veering into the comically silly - I mean, someone tries to goad me into calling (specifically) \*\*Cesario \*\*“fucked in the head” when I’ve been arguing for more civil debate, not a coarsening of discourse. I don’t respond very well to the obvious Admiral Akbar Strategy in debate. So I answered with sarcasm. And lo! and behold! there’s the predictable jumping to child buggery being worse than creationism, when I thought it was quite obvious who I was talking about ( **Cesario** , not the mythical “Paed’ Under The Bed”). Colour me “Not Surprised” that people would be so quick to exercise bad deduction. So far, one non-practicing out semi-paedophilic is not high on my list of harm-causers or crazy people. Yes, he’s a paraphiliac who’s not ashamed of it. Big woo. I’d still rather have a beer with him than 99% of the Americans who voted for GW Bush a second time. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/903 "2009-10-26T16:15:57Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I could go either way on the baby-fucking thing, but one more TLDR line-by-line rebuttal post and I’m organizing a lynch mob. +100 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/904 "2009-10-26T16:45:40Z")
I was just flipping through my pocket edition of the DSM-IV and “Fucked in the Head” does indeed have an entry. It’s between “Just Plain Nuts” and “That Boy Ain’t Right”. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/905 "2009-10-26T17:59:28Z")
\*cf. \* Football Bat; Soup Sandwich; Taitz, Orly ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/906 "2009-10-27T00:19:55Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I don’t doubt it. > But _this_ thread was already veering into the comically silly - I mean, someone tries to goad me into calling (specifically) \*\*Cesario \*\*“fucked in the head” when I’ve been arguing for more civil debate, not a coarsening of discourse. Oh bullshit. You’re the one who keeps telling us that pedophilia is perfectly normal, that you’d trust your child to **Cesario** , if only because he tells us he’s celibate (and all we have is his own word – and his self-righteous blathering). What-the-fuck-ever. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/907 "2009-10-27T07:11:47Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Oh bullshit. You’re the one who keeps telling us that pedophilia is perfectly normal Well,aren’t you the lying bitch - never said no such thing. Said, in fact, the exact opposite, in so many words, even. > [@](#): > > , that you’d trust your child to **Cesario** , if only because he tells us he’s celibate Well, I would. I’m more likely to trust an out paedophile before a lot of other people. RC priests, Creationists, Right-wingers, New Agers, sanctimonious f_aux_-outrage-mongering message board queens… > [@](#): > > (and all we have is his own word ). Well, _you’re_ taking his word that he is, in fact, a paedophile. What’s the difference? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/908 "2009-10-27T12:54:50Z")
Ferchrissakes, if he’d given us his word that he was a stamp collector, no one would give a shit. But, “I really want to have sex with children,” is not something that rational people will just shine on. And most normal people wouldn’t count that as an asset on a baby-sitter’s application form either. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/909 "2009-10-27T13:19:52Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Ferchrissakes, if he’d given us his word that he was a stamp collector, no one would give a shit. But, “I really want to have sex with children,” is not something that rational people will just shine on. And most normal people wouldn’t count that as an asset on a baby-sitter’s application form either. I didn’t say he’d be my _first_ choice of babysitter, but I don’t see paedophilia as _necessarily_ an automatic disqualifier anymore than being a bestialist means you can’t look after my dog. What I said was if he was a friend of mine (like all my other sitters) and I knew he was an out paedophile, I would still let him look after my kid. Because, call me crazy, but I trust my friends not to hurt my kid (or they wouldn’t be my friend), and anyway, I trust people not to act on their every impulse at any opportunity. Y’all are treating him like he’d be a junkie in a room full of drugs. I’d treat him like a person with a particular attraction in a situation where that’s not particularly relevant to the job at hand. IOW, I’d expect a modicum of self control from him, just like I’d trust a gay friend who thought I was hot (of which I have had a couple) not to take advantage of me when I’m drunk, or a straight friend not to try and peek at my wife changing her clothes. You know - civilized behaviour? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/910 "2009-10-27T13:59:04Z")
**MR. DIBBLE’S** **Second Chance Job Fair** _“No Disorder Too Severe”_ **Now Hiring:** [ul] [li]Pedophilic babysitters[/li][li]Zoophilic animal trainers[/li][li]Pyromaniac gasoline tanker drivers[/li][li]Kleptomaniac accountants[/li][li]Antisocial party planners[/li][li]Aphasic public speakers[/li][li]Crazy-ass tweaker bloody-knife-wielding kindergarten teachers[/li][/ul] _ **NO IRISH** _ ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/911 "2009-10-27T14:06:38Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > **MR. DIBBLE’S** > **Second Chance Job Fair** > _“No Disorder Too Severe”_ > > **Now Hiring:** > [ul] > [li]Pedophilic babysitters[/li][li]Zoophilic animal trainers[/li][li]Pyromaniac gasoline tanker drivers[/li][li]Kleptomaniac accountants[/li][li]Antisocial party planners[/li][li]Aphasic public speakers[/li][li]Crazy-ass tweaker bloody-knife-wielding kindergarten teachers[/li][/ul] > _ **NO IRISH** _ Even though this is cracking me up to tears at work, I gotta admit, I do completely understand MrDibbles position. Not that he needs or wants a cosign from me. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/912 "2009-10-27T14:14:47Z")
I laughed too, **Nzinga, Seated** - and any backing is appreciated, I got no beef with you. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/913 "2009-10-27T16:00:21Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I didn’t say he’d be my _first_ choice of babysitter, but I don’t see paedophilia as _necessarily_ an automatic disqualifier anymore than being a bestialist means you can’t look after my dog. What I said was if he was a friend of mine (like all my other sitters) and I knew he was an out paedophile, I would still let him look after my kid. Because, call me crazy, but I trust my friends not to hurt my kid (or they wouldn’t be my friend), and anyway, I trust people not to act on their every impulse at any opportunity. Seems like “so open minded that your brains fall out” type thinking. Especially since, as Cesario has said, he doesn’t think he’d necessarily be “hurting” your kids. Maybe he’d bring along a handy psych test to make sure. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/914 "2009-10-27T16:24:03Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Seems like “so open minded that your brains fall out” type thinking. Especially since, as Cesario has said, he doesn’t think he’d necessarily be “hurting” your kids. Maybe he’d bring along a handy psych test to make sure. Look, the way I see it, there’s paedophiles, and then there’s child molesters. And AFAICT, being a paedophile is not a necessary nor a sufficient condition for being a child molester. You have to be some sort of socio/psychopath to be the latter, I think, of which **Cesario** hasn’t really given any evidence I can see. So I’m not going to condemn him because he a) thinks kids are sexually attractive and b) agitates for a test I view as completely harmless, possibly even beneficial, even if it were to get off the ground, which is unlikely. This does not reflect my views on paedophilia in general, or child molestation, or any other generalization. It strictly reflects my views of **Cesario** and his actions/words to date. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/915 "2009-10-27T16:33:36Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I didn’t say he’d be my _first_ choice of babysitter, but I don’t see paedophilia as _necessarily_ an automatic disqualifier anymore than being a bestialist means you can’t look after my dog. Sir, if you are a bestialist, you certainly may \*\*not \*\*look after my dog. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/916 "2009-10-27T16:38:00Z")
…but the bitch wants me! ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/917 "2009-10-27T17:01:14Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Look, the way I see it, there’s paedophiles, and then there’s child molesters. And AFAICT, being a paedophile is not a necessary nor a sufficient condition for being a child molester. You have to be some sort of socio/psychopath to be the latter, I think, of which **Cesario** hasn’t really given any evidence I can see. > > So I’m not going to condemn him because he a) thinks kids are sexually attractive and b) agitates for a test I view as completely harmless, possibly even beneficial, even if it were to get off the ground, which is unlikely. This does not reflect my views on paedophilia in general, or child molestation, or any other generalization. It strictly reflects my views of **Cesario** and his actions/words to date. But don’t you realize that _all_ pedophiles are _de facto_ child molesters, since unlike the rest of us they are incapable of controlling their urges, and given the slightest opportunity they will rape any child they see. This must be true, because everyone says it is. Isn’t it amazing that of all the non-normal (however you may choose to define it) feelings that people can have, having a sexual attraction to children is the _only_ one that is completely and inextricably tied to this total loss of self-control? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/918 "2009-10-27T17:08:17Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > …but the bitch wants me! She’s setting you up. ---
**Author:** ![AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/919 "2009-10-28T07:27:19Z")
> [@](#): > > Look, the way I see it, there’s paedophiles, and then there’s child molesters. And AFAICT, being a paedophile is not a necessary nor a sufficient condition for being a child molester. You have to be some sort of socio/psychopath to be the latter, I think, of which Cesario hasn’t really given any evidence I can see. You’re claiming that pedophiles and child molesters are two distinct catagories. While child molesters aren’t always pedophiles, and pedophiles aren’t always child molesters there’s still a significent percentage that overlaps. Cesario has said that he wouldn’t molest a child…unless that child was made to think he could consent. (through his “test”) While that’s not as frightening as someone who would blatently obiously molest a child, it’s still very scary seeing as he could possibly “groom” a kid into “consenting”. That may be the difference between child molesters and peophiles. With child molesters it may be a one off /one time thing (ie severe add, taking advantage of a sitution etc) but with pedophiles it’s about grooming. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/920 "2009-10-28T10:26:43Z")
I love the loaded language - “made to think”, “groom” - as well as the other scare quotes: “test”, “consenting”. I see you’re still making with the pop psych diagnoses, though. Care to answer as to your qualifications this time? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/921 "2009-10-28T13:24:40Z")
> [@AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](#): > > You’re claiming that pedophiles and child molesters are two distinct catagories. > While child molesters aren’t always pedophiles, and pedophiles aren’t always child molesters there’s still a significent percentage that overlaps. Depends on your definition of “significant”–certainly much less than half, according to the only cites on the subject that have been presented in this thread. > [@](#): > > Cesario has said that he wouldn’t molest a child…unless that child was made to think he could consent. (through his “test”) While that’s not as frightening as someone who would blatently obiously molest a child, it’s still very scary seeing as he could possibly “groom” a kid into “consenting”. > That may be the difference between child molesters and peophiles. > With child molesters it may be a one off /one time thing (ie severe add, taking advantage of a sitution etc) but with pedophiles it’s about grooming. That’s so far off from what **Cesario** ’s actually said that I am starting to question your ability to actually read what’s on the page instead of what you want to be on the page. Not once has the man said anything about “grooming” or coaching a child through the test, and frankly IIRC he said the test would be administered by a trained child psychologist who’d in theory be able to detect that sort of thing (as distinct from the child in question ACTUALLY possessing the tested-for attitudes and knowledges). I just find it funny that **Cesario** ’s primary goal is to achieve legal consent, has said before that he’d be celibate if it was proven by some method that no children in his age range were capable of meaningful consent, and yet he’s STILL getting accused of “grooming”. The difference between child molesters and pedophiles is this: Child molesters molest children, and pedophiles are sexually aroused by children. The definitions do not imply that the latter is automatically the former. They do not imply that “grooming” is a preferred tactic. They do not imply a loss of control except under some circumstances in the strict DSMIV defintion (under which it appears that **Cesario** isn’t currently a “pedophile”). Are facts just hard for you? Or do you have a concussion from your knee jerking repeatedly into your forehead? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973.md?page=47)