# Cesario, you're awfully sanctimonious for a pedophile **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 29, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973 "2009-09-29T14:48:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uosdwis_R.Dewoh)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/141 "2009-09-30T08:25:24Z")
> [@Estilicon](#): > > I have no opinion whatsoever about transvestites midgets from Finland. They’re alright, but they prefer the term _transvestite little people from Finland_. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/142 "2009-09-30T12:13:55Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I don’t think he was saying he was gay, but that by “coming out,” he meant coming out as a pedophile. The last line of the post would bolster this. > > I think this is not an inconsistency, but an example of his trying to “normalize” his pedophilia by trying to place it in the same kind of category as homosexuality, and share his story as if it belongs in the same discussion as just another sexual orientation. I can just see how that went. "Dad - Mom - There’s something I have to tell you. You know how everyone is different? Some people like vanilla, some like chocolate, some like Rocky Road? I like to fuck two-year-olds." “Oh, thank God, son. We thought you were gay!” Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/143 "2009-09-30T12:20:11Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You’re misreading the post. The story is about **Cesario** telling his father that he is attracted to children. A nonce is a kiddy fiddler BTW ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/144 "2009-09-30T12:25:59Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I think he’s got a ways to go before what he is and what he implies he is overlap with a sufficiently high degree of confidence, i.e. he’d have to post quite a bit more, and consistently on this subject, before he goes from “quite possibly a troll” to something akin to lekatt or kanicbird, who clearly do indeed believe what they say (or if they don’t, their trollery ran for so long that it’s clearly a single-minded compulsion in itself). > > Anyhoo, it’s conceivable to me that this is an attempted leg-pull and will continue until he gets banned or bored. Ok, perhaps I should modify my statement to, “If he is being truthful, this guy is really, seriously dangerous.” If he’s making it up, he’s just a troll. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/145 "2009-09-30T12:45:47Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I remember thinking it was bullshit but not posting anything because I had no proof and would have been crucified. Aw, that never stopped you before, nor since. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/146 "2009-09-30T13:04:56Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > I don’t think it does. You can’t have consensual sex with a thirteen year old, because a thirteen year old isn’t capable of legally consenting. See? Easy peasy. Sorry I’m late to the party, but I just wanted to agree in general with this. I do think it’s different ages for different people, but in general, a child who does not have the emotional development of an adult is incapable of giving meaningful consent. That’s why libertarianism forbids acting out pedophilia — because there is no meaningful consent. It is a coercion upon the child. I don’t usually participate in these threads because my political philosophy is so germane to the issue, and people don’t like my political philosophy. But I hope I haven’t hijacked too much just to point out how the issue is viewed from my perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/147 "2009-09-30T13:12:01Z")
> [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](#): > > They’re alright, but they prefer the term _transvestite little people from Finland_. Unless they’re from Lapland, in which case they’re Li’l Lap Ladyboys. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/148 "2009-09-30T15:29:06Z")
First I don’t know why anyone would assume he’s trolling. There are plenty of people with bizarre ideas out there. He seems to have put a lot more thought into his position than a troll would. Second, I don’t think he deserves any sympathy. It’s pretty obvious from his posts that the only reason he doesn’t act on his urges is because he fears the consequences, not because he knows his urges are wrong. All his posts have been arguing for the removal of age based laws, especiallly age of consent laws, which he feels unfairly keep him from the children he wants to have sex with. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/149 "2009-09-30T15:54:52Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > A nonce is a kiddy fiddler BTW Oh, you Europeans and your cute-sounding names for everything. 😛 I thought nonce meant gay. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/150 "2009-09-30T16:03:18Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > That’s one of the things that really pisses me off about it. Now, maybe because I’m straight, it’s kind of patronizing, but the fact that he keeps comparing his “persecution” to that suffered by homosexuals; that he considers NAMBLA simply another gay rights group, tortured simply by homophobic bigots…it really, REALLY angers me. > > Dude, NAMBLA is NOT protecting itself from “homophobic bigots.” > > It just angers me, because I see so many people complaining about how gays shouldn’t be allowed to adopt because they’re “perverts.” People like him don’t help, when they use that kind of justification. > > (Please, PLEASE tell me he has no plans to become a parent!) This kind of implies that he has a responsibility to abandon his own cause in favor of someone else’s. Sort of tortured logic isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/151 "2009-09-30T16:04:44Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I wish you folks would stop muddying the water with discussion of 13 and 16 year olds who might conceivably have the cognitive ability, and the physical development, to understand what sex is. I’m even pretty certain there are places where the age of consent is lower than either of those. > > In the [Youth Suffrage](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=533004&highlight=suffrage) thread, [Cesario responded to a series of questions I asked another poster](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11594651&postcount=88), and **he made it explicitly clear that he believes there are 5 year olds out there mature enough to give consent for sex.** > > Oh, and just as an aside, mentioned that he might be willing to give a gun to a five year old as a gift, if it were legal to do so. > > This guy is really, seriously dangerous. > > I wouldn’t say this if his only issue was sexual attraction to children, even infants. The danger is that he has convinced himself that children feel sexual attraction to him, and that they are mentally mature enough to act on those desires. And finally, that the laws to prevent such activity are like sexual Jim Crow laws to discriminate against a particular class of people who would otherwise be law abiding citizens. And in a kind of perverted way, he’s technically correct. If murder became legal, murderers would indeed be law abiding citizens. > > He has no moral barriers to fucking a five year old. Even worse, be may see the act as a political as well as sexual one, a statement against the injustice of society. > > This is yet another one of thousands if times in my life I am glad not to have children. Well the basis of my defense is that I’d rather horrors like this guy be out in the open than hiding under the bed. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/152 "2009-09-30T16:08:18Z")
> [@AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](#): > > Right on. Not to mention that back then you thought that you were all that and knew everything…and you look back and think " What a DORK I was!!!" > And yes…I think that’s another reason why pedos are attracted to kids…Kids in general are very easily manipulated. I wonder if the pedos who were themselves molested, want to reinact the abuse they suffered b/c they think it will “heal them” somehow. > Oh, and I do think that he may be real and not just a troll. As I stated in the other thread, I do think that part of pedophillia is being VERY clueless about social cues. > That could be related to Asperger’s Syndrome…One symptom of Asperger’s is being fixtated on one particular subject. Not saying that pedos have Asperger’'s…just saying that they could have a related thing (being emotionally stunted and clueless about social cues) I don’t know, I don’t buy that kind of logic. I am not a psychologist so I might be dead wrong, but I think we too often assume that something that we assume to be dead wrong and evil must come from some kind of past trauma. Maybe he really genuinely does think that it’s ok. I think more likely that emotionally on some level a pedo is like a child and as such do not see the gulf between them and a small child because they can relate to small children better than they can relate to adults. Unfortunately the pedophile has achieved their sexual prime so these sorts of intimate feelings are twisted by the desire for intimacy through sex. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/153 "2009-09-30T16:13:51Z")
People who abuse children and/or animals get no sympathy from me. Maybe this is a personal shortcoming; I have plenty of those. If Mike Vick or Cesario were scheduled for lethal injection, you would not find me protesting. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/154 "2009-09-30T16:36:39Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > People who abuse children and/or animals get no sympathy from me. Maybe this is a personal shortcoming; I have plenty of those. If Mike Vick or Cesario were scheduled for lethal injection, you would not find me protesting. I’m going to assume that is hyperbole. Do you really believe that a pedophile who has not acted on his urges should be executed? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/155 "2009-09-30T16:42:38Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > I’m going to assume that is hyperbole. Do you really believe that a pedophile who has not acted on his urges should be executed? Glad you said it. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/156 "2009-09-30T16:44:02Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > I’m going to assume that is hyperbole. Do you really believe that a pedophile who has not acted on his urges should be executed? Has a pedophile who has not acted on his urges abused anyone? Or are _you_ projecting onto a statement which specifically stated abusers. If you are specifically referring to the reference to **Cesario** , I agree that **kayayer** was wrong to include him, as there is no evidence, circumstantial nor concrete, that he has abused a child. Lusting over someone is not abuse (or if it is, I’m a daily serial abuser\*). Not children ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/157 "2009-09-30T16:49:43Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > I’m going to assume that is hyperbole. Do you really believe that a pedophile who has not acted on his urges should be executed? Sorry, I miss typed. A pedophile who has acted on his/her urges is IMHO better off buried, however. One that can control his/her urges gets a pass. ---
**Author:** ![fuzzypickles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9d8465/32.png) [@fuzzypickles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fuzzypickles)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/158 "2009-09-30T17:25:49Z")
> [@NineToTheSky](#): > > What I find interesting is that this is the first thread (that I’m aware of) about sex and/or children and/or himself that he hasn’t posted in. > > I wonder why? He hasn’t logged in since 12:30 a.m. yesterday, so he’s probably not aware of this thread yet. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/159 "2009-09-30T17:54:48Z")
I’ve been thinking about the whole **Cesario** on the board thingie… I don’t think I have to relinquish my gut sense that “this is just WRONG” in order to consider some things: • what MAKES it wrong? • would it no longer be wrong if \_\_\_\_ ? and as a side effect of things he throws out, even if they do have the “slippery slope” appearance of planks in an argument in favor of legitimizing pederasty, • how about THIS or THAT other aspect of the institution of childhood and status thereof — for the moment bracketing off whether or not ‘treating them as adults’ in this way is part of **Cesario’s** strategy of undermining structures that disempower children in order to empower them sufficiently that “then they CAN consent” etc — what ABOUT these things, in their own light? I myself have often said, to Father’s Rights folks who were just _all over_ the wonderful principle of sexual equality and totally in love with it insofar as they want nonsexist custody policies and an end to alimony and child support that is at all gender-unequal, that if the principle is really the reason we should start first by getting behind the women on equal pay, comparable worth, equity in credit and financing, and other feminist concerns. If NOT, if they’re just ascribing to the principle because it gives support to your ‘cause’, well I’ve already [pitted that bullshit](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=413441)… Do I think **Cesario** is doing that? Uh huh. Hell yeah. He’s not particularly subtle about it. But OK what the fuck… what DOES make it wrong? Sure, the power imbalance. The same thing that made it wrong for President Bill Clinton, Leader of the Free World, to have sex with an intern. The same thing that makes it wrong for military officers to have sex with the people under their immediate command. The same thing that makes it wrong for a person with a knife in hand to have sex with the person at whom the knife is pointed. The same thing that makes it wrong for a nursing facility worker to have sex with a mentally incompetent person they’re supposed to be taking care of. Power imbalance. Sex should be between equals. When it’s not, “consent” is damn difficult to define, understand, operationalize. But is that all? Maybe not. The military juniors and the commanding officers could (under some other circumstances) be equals, it’s just the STRUCTURE that makes them unequal in power. Same with Clinton and Lewinsky. The person with the knife can put it down and otherwise cease to hold threatening / coercive power. But how about the incompetent person in the skilled nursing facility? It’s not JUST power in that case, is it? It’s also the matter of INFORMED consent. Not merely to be free of a structured power-over but to be able to say “yes” and to _understand what the hell you’re saying ‘yes’ TO_. No modification of social structure is going to fix that. And therein, in my opinion, is why getting rid of structural social inequities between children and adults (to the extent that that’s possible) still isn’t going to make it OK for adults to have sex with children. It _might_ make it OK some of the time for an adult to have sex with this or that hypothetical person who by today’s definition is a minor (and/or below the current age of consent), but 4 year old toddlers??? So, back to **Cesario**. I have to un-pit him. I don’t think he’s successfully spreading the gospel of the OKAYness of pedophilia and pederasty in here on this board. I do think maybe he is getting us to think about some issues pertaining to childhood, adulthood, and status issues, and yes also getting us to actually THINK ABOUT pedophilia and pederasty instead of doing the knee-jerk thing. And I don’t think that’s bad. I do worry about people on the board who are survivors of child sexual abuse and what this is putting them through, though. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/160 "2009-09-30T18:00:38Z")
I don’t think ‘he hasn’t acted on his urges’ is really accurate. He said, “he hasn’t abused anybody”, but his definition of abuse is likely a little different than ours. I think it’s very educational for all of us to take a hard look into the face of exactly how manipulative child molesters are. If this same smooth cleverness, equivocation etc were being projected at a child, really, what chance would they have? The issue that we should be fighting them on is that children, no children - ever, are capable of consent to sexual activity, period. Not the more mature ones, not gifted ones, not ones that have been groomed. So say all us, meaning society at large. Making up your own criteria don’t change any of that, it’s just a way of justifying the unjustifiable. And serves to make the pervert think that they at least have some standards. He is skeevy and perverse, to be sure. But he’s also smooth and well spoken, oily and hard to pin down. All you parents out there - Look, look hard. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973.md?page=9)