# Cesario, you're awfully sanctimonious for a pedophile **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 29, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973 "2009-09-29T14:48:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/161 "2009-09-30T18:02:16Z")
Getting us to think about pedophilia? What the fuck is there to think about? You actually had to ponder it to figure out what’s wrong with it? What the fuck? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/162 "2009-09-30T18:02:37Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > I don’t think ‘he hasn’t acted on his urges’ is really accurate. He said, “he hasn’t abused anybody”, but his definition of abuse is likely a little different than ours. > > I think it’s very educational for all of us to take a hard look into the face of exactly how manipulative child molesters are. If this same smooth cleverness, equivocation etc were being projected at a child, really, what chance would they have? > > The issue that we should be fighting them on is that children, no children - ever, are capable of consent to sexual activity, period. Not the more mature ones, not gifted ones, not ones that have been groomed. So say all us, meaning society at large. Making up your own criteria don’t change any of that, it’s just a way of justifying the unjustifiable. And serves to make the pervert think that they at least have some standards. > > He is skeevy and perverse, to be sure. But he’s also smooth and well spoken, oily and hard to pin down. All you parents out there - Look, look hard. ^^This, this exactly. Let him talk, lets see exactly what he says, let him demystify pedophiles for us that we stand a better chance at spotting them. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Getting us to think about pedophilia? What the fuck is there to think about? You actually had to ponder it to figure out what’s wrong with it? What the fuck? Judging people isn’t the end all be all of cognition. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/163 "2009-09-30T18:06:11Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Judging people isn’t the end all be all of cognition I’m not judging people, I’m judging pedophilia. It’s not a subject that requires any thought. ---
**Author:** ![NineToTheSky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5a626/32.png) [@NineToTheSky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NineToTheSky)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/164 "2009-09-30T18:10:46Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I’m not judging people, I’m judging pedophilia. It’s not a subject that requires any thought. All mental disorders and anti-social behaviours require a huge amount of thought. To understand them, to learn how to tackle them, to learn how to control them, and, hopefully, to cure them. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/165 "2009-09-30T18:11:13Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I’m not judging people, I’m judging pedophilia. It’s not a subject that requires any thought. But it is, if you’re too stupid to give it any thought, that’s another matter. Your argument is sentimental squishyhead bullshit. No merit in it at all. You are arguing that plugging your ears and saying, ‘lalalalalalala’, is a valid intellectual stance. It’s not. There is plenty to understand about pedophilia, more for you than for most of the people posting in this thread clearly. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/166 "2009-09-30T18:16:42Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You’re misreading the post. The story is about **Cesario** telling his father that he is attracted to children. nonce is British slang for paedo piece of dog turd 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/167 "2009-09-30T18:17:19Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Getting us to think about pedophilia? What the fuck is there to think about? You actually had to ponder it to figure out what’s wrong with it? What the fuck? You of all people should know that you should always think long and hard about whether something is wrong, regardless of how many people tell you so. In this case, of course, you’d come to the same conclusion, but that doesn’t negate the value of the process in this or any other case. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/168 "2009-09-30T18:21:40Z")
> [@Jodi](#): > > How do you get to “any POV is worth expressing for the sake of argument”? Where’s the argument in “It’s okay to diddle four-year-olds”? To consider the assertion even if only “for the sake of argument” necessarily implies that the answer might be “yes it is.” But the answer is always, in every case, NO, it’s not. If there aren’t two sides – and there aren’t on this – then there’s no argument to be had. I **knew** there was some disagreement somewhere! 😛 My position is that, while it’s on about the same probability of the moon landings being faked, it’s not entirely impossible that kiddy diddlers are in the right. And if they came up with a convincing argument rather than pathetic excuses, I wouldn’t want them to be automatically dismissed. Obviously they should be subject to increased scrutiny, and as far as I know they haven’t come close to that… I’m just very uncomfortable with dismissing any view as invalid. See where I’m coming from now? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/169 "2009-09-30T18:22:50Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You of all people should know that you should always think long and hard about whether something is wrong, regardless of how many people tell you so. > > In this case, of course, you’d come to the same conclusion, but that doesn’t negate the value of the process in this or any other case. Or, indeed, what he said. But with the extra point it is iterative… ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/170 "2009-09-30T18:23:16Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > ^^This, this exactly. > > Let him talk, lets see exactly what he says, let him demystify pedophiles for us that we stand a better chance at spotting them. If there is any value in having **Cesario** around, this is _NOT_ it. You can talk to him all day and all night and it will not teach you the first thing about identifying pedophiles. If you believe that, you’re deluding yourself, plain and simple. You might learn something about how some pedophiles think, assuming he is what he represents himself to be, but you won’t learn how they behave around groups that are more hostile and less anonymous than a message board. Children are usually molested by relatives and people who know their families and have gained their trust, not by anonymous creeps. **Cesario** has raised some valid topics, but the same topics have been raised in the past by non-pedophiles and by people who don’t have obvious ulterior motives. And that’s overlooking the fact that he seems to love the attention he gets when he proclaims he is a pedophile and the fact that he’s not much of a debater. ---
**Author:** ![LunaticFringette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/fbc32d/32.png) [@LunaticFringette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LunaticFringette)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/171 "2009-09-30T18:27:40Z")
Oh good grief. How can a pedophile possibly justify their position??? Do you know anything about child growth and development??? Child psychology??? Immerse yourself in that literature and then tell me that there’s any fucking way on this earth that the possiblity exists that a pedophile could have a valid argument. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/172 "2009-09-30T18:31:14Z")
> [@NineToTheSky](#): > > All mental disorders and anti-social behaviours require a huge amount of thought. To understand them, to learn how to tackle them, to learn how to control them, and, hopefully, to cure them. I’m saying it doesn’t require any thought to understand that fucking 5 year olds is WRONG. **AHunter** said he had to think about why it’s _wrong_. To suggest that this question requires even of a fraction of a second of contemplation is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![LunaticFringette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/fbc32d/32.png) [@LunaticFringette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LunaticFringette)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/173 "2009-09-30T18:33:24Z")
> [@LunaticFringette](#): > > Oh good grief. How can a pedophile possibly justify their position??? Do you know anything about child growth and development??? Child psychology??? Immerse yourself in that literature and then tell me that there’s any fucking way on this earth that the possiblity exists that a pedophile could have a valid argument. That was directed at Angry Lurker, btw. Do those few of you who support \*\*Cesario’s \*\*right to enlighten us in the ways a society persecutes the pedo or their victims even have children? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/174 "2009-09-30T18:38:04Z")
> [@LunaticFringette](#): > > Oh good grief. How can a pedophile possibly justify their position??? Do you know anything about child growth and development??? Child psychology??? Immerse yourself in that literature and then tell me that there’s any fucking way on this earth that the possiblity exists that a pedophile could have a valid argument. I would be amazed if he could justify it. As you say to do so he would have to, as part of it, overthrow all our theories about child development. And I can add a few other things he would have to show currently accepted theories are wrong about as well. All I am saying is that it is not 100% - or perhaps more precisely, 100.000000% certain he cannot. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/175 "2009-09-30T18:38:36Z")
> [@LunaticFringette](#): > > That was directed at Angry Lurker, btw. Do those few of you who support \*\*Cesario’s \*\*right to enlighten us in the ways a society persecutes the pedo or their victims even have children? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/176 "2009-09-30T18:39:22Z")
If somebody tells you they want to burn a toddler’s eye out with a cigarette, do any of you feel that it would be unfair not to hear him out and explain his reasoning (his reasoning being that it will make him come), or would you feel comfortable with just going ahead and deciding that it’s wrong to burn a toddler’s eye out with a cigarette? Why does a person trying to argue for the right to _rape_ toddlers deserve a second of floor time? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/177 "2009-09-30T18:43:51Z")
By the way, I think there’s a false implication in this that those of us who have no interest in hearing a word someone like **Cesario** has to say have never, ever encountered or thought about the issue of adults having sex with children until this very day, and are therefore somehow being closed-minded or knee-jerk. Obviously, that’s fallacious. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/178 "2009-09-30T18:45:03Z")
People like Cesario exist in this world and I am actually pretty interested to hear it from the horse’s mouth assuming he isn’t a troll. Basically what you are saying is that the only people I should listen to on pedophilia are non-pedos. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/179 "2009-09-30T18:50:24Z")
I’m only talking about what’s needed to know to judge the _morality_ of it. Have you heard enough to decide whether you think it’s morally acceptable or not, or do you think you still need to hear a little more? ---
**Author:** ![NineToTheSky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5a626/32.png) [@NineToTheSky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NineToTheSky)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973/180 "2009-09-30T18:51:19Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > If somebody tells you they want to burn a toddler’s eye out with a cigarette, do any of you feel that it would be unfair not to hear him out and explain his reasoning (his reasoning being that it will make him come), or would you feel comfortable with just going ahead and deciding that it’s wrong to burn a toddler’s eye out with a cigarette? > > Why does a person trying to argue for the right to _rape_ toddlers deserve a second of floor time? He doesn’t \*deserve \*a second of \*our \*time. He needs to communicate his thought processes to people who can use that information to find solutions to those problems. So, the right people need to have lines of communication open. What is wrong is for the right people to say ‘I know he’s wrong, so I’m not going to listen.’ For you, for me, we can say what we like: nothing we say will make any difference to the problem. This is just a message board: all we do is exchange views. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cesario-youre-awfully-sanctimonious-for-a-pedophile/511973.md?page=10)