This whole debacle proves how mistaken were those who said
“brains don’t matter, any moron can be president provided that he’s a republican moron with jewish friends”
Oh, please. You can’t be serious.
The INC’s ICP was funded through the DIA, (which is a part of the DoD, of course), and the information it provided went directly to U.S. government recipients who included William Luti, a senior official in Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld’s office
By the way, I found this statement interesting:
I wonder if this is why this whole Chalabi-Iranian thing made only a small splash in the press. In the past week, I have had to forward the Seattle Times and Guardian stories to two people who are otherwise well-informed but hadn’t heard anything about the Iranian intelligence connection. And, in fact, I imagine I myself might not have heard of it if not for this message board. Well, here’s to hoping that it makes a bigger splash in the coming days!
Just FYI JShore, Debka ran the code compromise story about a week ago. -I’d link, but googlenews doesn’t pick it up, and debka’s search function is useless.
Lol:
Bush seems to have suddenly forgotten who Chalabi is. Chalabi who? Sounds familiar, and I’m sure no one has ever briefed me on this building story that could be a serious black eye for my administration. Oh, yeah I think maybe I met him once at a hand-shaking party. Haven’t thought about him since then, sorry.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_06/004061.php
Why doesn’t the press call him out on this bullshit?
Alright, this is a total hijack, but it is a joke to think that a recipient of intelligence dollars is part of the intelligence community. Paid sources of intelligence do not equal a US government agency.
I would love to hear your explanation of when Congress established the INC as “an office within the Department of Defense,” but that would only extend this hijack, and it’s quite clear that you don’t actually know anything about the real intelligence community anyway.
wasn’t that a yuk?
they say
Hey, george-didn’t chalabi snooker y’all
george: who??? O him, came thru once or twice, don’t remember much 'bout him. what did you say he did???
Today it was announced that the new spokesperson for the Bush Campaign team will be Hugh Lyon-Sack, formerly a Car Talk Lackey.
These guys cannot tell the truth for one moment. Holey shamoley is it ever outrageous. Restore honor and personal responsibility my ass.
It gets weirder and weirder. Newsweek is claiming that inside sources say Chalabi compiled secret files of damaging information on American leaders that he could use to trade for influence later if need be.
And Bush’s people let this guy basically run around in the top levels of OUR government, with all sorts of special access to secrets and plans for Iraq? They let the fox in the henhouse.
Also, Bush’s website lists Chalabi as a special guest of Laura Bush at Bush’s state of the Union address.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040120-5.html
Chalabi? Woozat? Hunh?
Of course I don’t know anything about the real inteligence community. I’m not now nor have I ever been a member of the IC. Never claimed to be. All I know is garnered from what is readily publicly available.
But, as far as I can tell, it doesn’t take an act of Congress to establish an office in the DoD. I think it’s more of an internal affair. It seems though that DCI and PotUS can revoke and assign a group’s membership in the IC.
All that aside, perhaps I am very wrong. Perhaps they held a status as contractors.
However, Mr. Luti, (mentioned above), said that the INC’s ICP was “deposited into Defense HUMINT Service.” For someone as ignorant as myself, it’s esy to make the mistake.
That said, do you think that those in the DoD who received and proceesed these reports were members of the IC? Or at least would fit the bill of members of the IC since they were DoD members processing intel?
Whether the ICP is “part of the US intel community” is irrelevant. Information this critical is compartmented - it is only revealed to those with a “need to know.” There are plenty of offices that are indisputably “part of the US intel community,” like the NRO, but which have no need to know that a particular code has been broken. The ICP has no defensible need to know whether the CIA has broken an Iranian code. Therefore, if Chalabi did find out about it through the ICP, someone is still committing espionage for telling the ICP.
I would further suggest that you get your facts straight before starting with the “bozo” crap.
I guess this is a regional saying.
It’s the equivalent of Zoinks! or Jeepers!
Bozo used to say it to himself all run together like that most everyday on TV.
But Bozo wasn’t the same Bozo all over the country.
Note that I didn’t say, “Whoah nelly, Bozo!”
I offer my apologies for any offense you may have taken. Offense was not my intention. I hope that you will accept them.
I’ve a need to get my facts straight regardless, yes?
And today on TV, I think it was Chris Mathews on MSNBC, GW said something like - Chalabi? Well, I really don’t know much about him. I met him a couple of times, that’s all.
This is the guy on whom GW, Rummy, Wolfie et al put their, or our, money to lead Iraq into democracy?
This is fully on a par with GW’s statement about Rice’s testimony for the 9/11 commission - Gee, I don’t know what she’s going to say. It will sure be interesting.
Mendacity and incompetency are not mutually exclusive. GW runs a full service administration.
Your kidding right , tell me this was just for your amusement.
If I could give you a cite , I Would be in violation of whatever secrets act i may have signed , which I have not.
If your country has been designated an axis of evil , assume that the NSA , the NRO and a whole host of other alphabet soup agencys are taking lots of photos, listening in on your phone lines , vaccuming up your intranet and subverting your citizens that remember you fondly from the days of the shah.
On a more serious note , there are for the time being unbreakable codes , based on 4000 bit or higher keys. The time to break these codes are measured in years currently due to the current level of brute force computing.
While C is reportly believed to have confirmed to the Iranians that one of their codes had been broken, which code was burned was not mentioned. Every country has a variety of codes that has a shelf life based on what it encyphers , so for the Iranians , their most top secret codes ,would in all likely hood be their nuclear correspondence.
While staying with the broken code , assume that you think its secure , maybe a one time pad to chat with their terrorist buddies, its originating point and its reception point can be tracked ,as well as the frequency of the messages going back and forth. If its secure ,then all you are going to get is the traffic that was mentioned so many times, regarding the color alert being changed.
Bottom line is that every country that maintains a signint ,humint or commint unit , is always practicing on someone elses code, no matter if its military , diplomatic , bureaucratic or in Irans case, the oil ministry.
Its the game thats been going on , since ceasar brought out his little square code box.
Declan
Don’t be absurd. Who would trust W with confidential info to begin with.
What odds are you giving for Michael Ledeen?
So, in other words, you have no cite other than your best guess. And while you may or not be qualified to offer such a guess, I can’t accept it more than what it is: an opinion.
Yeah basically
as for you acceptance , oh well
Declan