# Challenge! Who is the man sitting with all the stars on Johnny Carson? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 30, 2014, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321 "2014-04-30T00:42:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/501 "2014-05-05T23:18:05Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > The more I look, the more I’m thinking it’s Hans Conried. I initially rejected that notion because I figured that Conried would be older playing, as he did, the uncle on Danny Thomas’ show. But in reality Thomas was actually older! Also, looking at the pic it looks like Thomas and Mystery Man are eyeballing each other behind the backs of the folks sitting in between them. NOT Hans Conried. I’ve seen him many times on TV. Not him. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/502 "2014-05-05T23:20:29Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > NOT Hans Conried. I’ve seen him many times on TV. Not him. I agree. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/503 "2014-05-05T23:36:49Z")
Burt Bacharach is the only guest host from 70-71 who resembles the picture at all. But it seems odd that he would host in New York one night, and California the next night. Joe Namath hosted the night before Bacharach, though, so maybe Carson was on extended leave. Or maybe the night before was also broadcast from CA. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/504 "2014-05-05T23:42:36Z")
If the guy next to Valentine is Ed McMahon, and John Wayne didn’t show up, then maybe the guy is someone Wayne sent to represent him. It could be someone from his agent’s office. It would also explain the boots-- he may have worn the boots Wayne wore in whatever he did that year that got him some award. There can’t be another night when all those people were on the show together. ---
**Author:** ![cococ173](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ab097/32.png) [@cococ173](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cococ173)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/505 "2014-05-06T00:07:08Z")
It has been mentioned either here or on fb that Wayne was off shooting a movie. The mystery man is not wearing boots. If he were, his left leg would be 6’ long. It is just a photo glitch. If you print the pic it looks a lot clearer. These are all TV people. The mm was not listed in TV Guide because they have limited space and it was either the luck of the draw or he was not big enough to make the cut. I believe someone posted an article that stated 11/11/70 was the first broadcast night in LA. I am just waiting to see if Carol Burnett remembers. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/506 "2014-05-06T00:31:29Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > Burt Bacharach is the only guest host from 70-71 who resembles the picture at all. But it seems odd that he would host in New York one night, and California the next night. Joe Namath hosted the night before Bacharach, though, so maybe Carson was on extended leave. Or maybe the night before was also broadcast from CA. He’s not in the host’s chair. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/507 "2014-05-06T00:35:41Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > He’s not in the host’s chair. Oh. I don’t watch the show, so I wouldn’t know. How exactly did Photoplay honor these people? ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/508 "2014-05-06T00:41:37Z")
Hmm. Burt Bacharach was married to Angie Dickinson, who was apparently the host of the awards, so I suppose it could still be Bacharach. ---
**Author:** ![VernWinterbottom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c67d28/32.png) [@VernWinterbottom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VernWinterbottom)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/509 "2014-05-06T00:58:20Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > Hmm. Burt Bacharach was married to Angie Dickinson, who was apparently the host of the awards, so I suppose it could still be Bacharach. Except that’s not at all Burt Bacharach, who had much more hair in the '70s. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Burt\_Bacharach\_1972.JPG](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Burt_Bacharach_1972.JPGhttp://) ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/510 "2014-05-06T00:59:28Z")
Robert Vaughn? He won most popular male star in 1965. ---
**Author:** ![VernWinterbottom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c67d28/32.png) [@VernWinterbottom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VernWinterbottom)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/511 "2014-05-06T01:08:44Z")
Bad link on Burt B. Sorry. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Burt\_Bacharach\_1972.JPG](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Burt_Bacharach_1972.JPG) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/512 "2014-05-06T01:26:30Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > Hmm. Burt Bacharach was married to **Angie Dickinson, who was apparently the host of the awards** , so I suppose it could still be Bacharach. That’s more information than I’ve been able to find–where did you get it? ---
**Author:** ![K364](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k364/32/5_2.png) [@K364](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/K364)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/513 "2014-05-06T01:31:26Z")
> [@Cartoonacy](#): > > My first thought was that it looks like [Hans Conried](https://www.google.com/#q=hans+conried). That was my thought too. Look at the hair and the generous ears here: [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0175788/](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0175788/) Also, he played “Uncle Tonoose” on “The Danny Thomas Show” and “Make Room For Daddy” and “Make Room For Granddaddy” (1970-71) He would have been 54 in 1971. He was a guest on the Tonight Show Sept. 23, 1971 [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0726843/?ref\_=tt\_ep\_ep194](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0726843/?ref_=tt_ep_ep194) ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/514 "2014-05-06T01:33:18Z")
A Photoplay website I have closed, so I can’t give you the URL, but I followed links checking sources on the Wiki entry. Right now I’m still thinking he could be some rep of Wayne, who we wouldn’t be expected to recognize. Or maybe he had a minor role in whatever movie Wayne made most recently at the time. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/515 "2014-05-06T01:37:51Z")
Could it possibly be Forrest Tucker, Wayne’s costar in his 1970 film _Chisum_? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/516 "2014-05-06T01:41:48Z")
Not Robert Vaughan. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/517 "2014-05-06T01:50:37Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > Could it possibly be Forrest Tucker, Wayne’s costar in his 1970 film _Chisum_? Wow. No, it’s not Forrest Tucker. By 1970 he was a [hefty square jawed guy](http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsT/tve17361-101-550.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/518 "2014-05-06T01:51:53Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Wow. No, it’s not Forrest Tucker. By 1970 he was a [hefty square jawed guy](http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsT/tve17361-101-550.jpg). Maybe it was Larry Storch. At this point it might be easier to make a list of all the people he isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Alley\_Dweller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alley_dweller/32/430_2.png) [@Alley\_Dweller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alley_Dweller)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/519 "2014-05-06T01:58:07Z")
I found [numerous](http://fultonhistory.com/Newspaper%2011/Gloversville%20NY%20Leader%20Herald/Gloversville%20NY%20Leader%20Herald%201977%20Grayscale/Gloversville%20NY%20Leader%20Herald%201977%20Grayscale%20-%203529.pdf) [references](http://books.google.com/books?id=5hDG6auRCJ4C&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=Angie+Dickinson+photoplay&source=bl&ots=dvPxTZdnXM&sig=plWcCCSjp_4hPET0RvZjZJmNm70&hl=en&sa=X&ei=AT9oU_DRBIzfoAS8kIH4DA&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=Angie%20Dickinson%20photoplay&f=false) to Angie Dickenson hosting the 1977 Photoplay awards, including[this slightly more detailed article](http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1346&dat=19770612&id=IcJOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2_oDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4230,3264253) that lists some winners between 1969 and 1978, which all other sources seem to lack. But I couldn’t find any references to her having any connection to the 1970 awards. Given the number of references to the 1977 awards, all I can say is that they must have had lousy promotopms for the 1970 awards. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/520 "2014-05-06T02:17:51Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Wow. No, it’s not Forrest Tucker. By 1970 he was a [hefty square jawed guy](http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsT/tve17361-101-550.jpg). Hey, I’m throwing anything against the wall at this point. All the lists of Photoplay winners end with 1968. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321.md?page=27)