# Challenge! Who is the man sitting with all the stars on Johnny Carson? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 30, 2014, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321 "2014-04-30T00:42:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2014, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/641 "2014-05-08T21:07:20Z")
The fact that Carson isn’t in the photo makes me think it was a candid photo snapped during a break when Carson had stepped out. It doesn’t look like a professional photo. Either that, or it’s a video still. Journalism photos were in black and white then-- except for a few magazines, journals printed in B&W. I can’t think of a paper that printed color photos in 1970. This photo is blurry, and the lighting is bad, so I think it may be a video still, or else something an audience member snapped without permission. A real publicity photo would look much better. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2014, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/642 "2014-05-08T21:27:55Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Man, I wish someone would add to the thread title “And no, it’s NOT Peter Alan Richman!” I don’t know who Peter Alan Richman is, but Peter Mark Richman and his daughter have denied it is him. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2014, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/643 "2014-05-08T21:32:44Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Why would Richman be denying it then? Only the true messiah denies his divinity. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2014, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/644 "2014-05-08T22:04:50Z")
I wonder how much it would cost to license the 11/11/70 footage from [johnnycarson.com](http://johnnycarson.com), assuming they even have the footage. ---
**Author:** ![randompattern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@randompattern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randompattern)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2014, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/645 "2014-05-08T22:08:25Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > I wonder how much it would cost to license the 11/11/70 footage from [johnnycarson.com](http://johnnycarson.com), assuming they even have the footage. Most all of Carson’s Tonight Show footage was destroyed (taped over) prior to 1972. When Johnny heard about this he made them save everything. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2014, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/646 "2014-05-08T22:17:45Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Convenient for whom? To what end? Can you clarify that? > [@Alley\_Dweller](#): > > And I would love to hear you explain how and why some person or persons altered copies of small newspapers to mislead us this way and whether they did so back in 1970 or 30+ years later when the newspapers were scanned by the google archivist. > By the way, are there any newspapers that contradict what these small newspapers say or did the party/parties responsible for altering them get to all of the newspapers? > [@Maserschmidt](#): > > This conspiracy is far too large for your tiny mind to comprehend. > [@choie](#): > > …Thanks to **Lamia** for confirming my findings (yes damnit I want full credit!) of the _Photoplay_ award special in a “real” newspaper, since apparently small town newspapers don’t count enough because the Gray Men in Black Helicopters could have so easily edited them just to screw with our tiny minds. 😃 > > …Needless to say, I’m on the side of "no, this isn’t a gag, because if it is it’s the stupidest, silliest gag on record. \*\*Why would anyone whip up a photo with _this_ group of TV stars \*\*(exception at the time being Danny Thomas and Carol Burnett)? Why? Because _it’s something that people do on the Internet_. Some people post faked content to get attention/stir up emotion/make a name for themselves. Do you really want to claim that this doesn’t occur? Seriously? The repeated attempts to equate a call for evidence (as opposed to simply accepting things without examination), with a belief in “a conspiracy,” are disappointing. That’s the sort of ham-handed effort to discredit reasonable inquiry that one would expect to find at sites that are much less reputable than [straightdope.com](http://straightdope.com). (I won’t name any examples, as their regulars tend to troll the Internet looking for mentions; one wouldn’t want to gratify them. And, of course, that is the sort of conduct that is often seen in company with feverishly over-reaching \*“you’re claiming conspiracy!!!11!!” \*attacks.) But let’s assume that the _majority_ of readers of this thread don’t care to abandon logic to that extent, and really do want to know what’s behind the photo. On that assumption, a few notes: \*\*\*Yes, it’s important evidence if television listings that agree are found in every source we can reasonably (meaning, without having to fork over cash to get behind a paywall) examine. Agreement among listings increases the chances that the photo is genuine. \*\*\*Have we forgotten that it’s well-established that people _do_, sometimes, post untrue things on the Internet? That discussion came up a few pages back, and examples were posted. But perhaps this has been forgotten by some, so some additional examples may be helpful: [ul] [li]FAKE WEBSITES: a list put together by British former librarian Phil Bradley is at [http://www.philb.com/fakesites.htm[/li]This](http://www.philb.com/fakesites.htm%5B/li%5DThis) wikipedia article ( [Website spoofing - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Website_spoofing) ) also has a lot of information on the profusion of faked sites that have been put up (and how relatively easy it is to make a site that has an address that looks real). Clearly many people have found it worth their time to falsify and fake sites, photos on those sites, lists on those sites, etc. Why? That would surely require a separate thread (on human psychology). But it would be foolish to simply deny that many people do, quite simply, enjoy fooling others. [li]FAKED DOCUMENTS: Many of these have actually affected historical events (e.g. the Zinoviev Letter, a 1924 fake that contributed to a turnover in UK government: [http://www.theguardian.com/politics/1999/feb/04/uk.politicalnews6[/li]Other](http://www.theguardian.com/politics/1999/feb/04/uk.politicalnews6%5B/li%5DOther) well-known examples: the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” and the 1983 Hitler Diaries. In some cases, a motive for the hoax can be seen to be political power (or at least persuasion). In others, the hoaxing seems to be “just to see people get upset”…a classic definition of trolling. [li]FAKED PHOTOS: A set of famous faked photos was linked to a ways back ( [Top 10 Doctored Photos - Photo Essays - TIME](http://content.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1924226,00.html) ); here’s a different set: [http://flavorwire.com/333176/10-of-the-most-famous-photo-hoaxes-through-history[/li]There](http://flavorwire.com/333176/10-of-the-most-famous-photo-hoaxes-through-history%5B/li%5DThere) are a lot of these available for view, and a large proportion of the famous fakes happened well before Photoshop.[/ul] Why do people post faked things on the Internet? Clearly the answers differ, hoax by hoax and person by person. But denying that people do these things is an exercise in futility–such denials ring very hollow. Noting that people _do_ sometimes post faked things on the Internet does not constitute a participation or belief in “conspiracy theories”-----_because it’s so-well documented that people do post faked things_. As for the “1970 Photoplay Awards”…it would appear that we’ve arrived at an admission that **there was no ceremony that the Photo people were coming from** (or going to). We seem to have consensus that the best that Photoplay ever did in the arena of getting publicity for their awards—the results of votes by magazine readers, by the way—was to get them mentioned on talk shows. Only _daytime_ talk shows, sometimes. So: not a Big Prestige situation. Several sources indicate that the regular “Photoplay Awards” were three in number (Gold Medal movie, Most Popular Actor, and Most Popular Actress)–and ended in 1968. So a 1970 set of awards (presumably in recognition of fifty years since the Photoplay Awards were first voted on by readers of the magazine) would have been notable. As has been mentioned, the publicists of several of the Photo people would surely have gotten items placed in publications such as the Hollywood Reporter, Variety, and so on. It would be helpful to find something like that. (The “[encyclopedia.com](http://encyclopedia.com)” page with the Brolin information\* found by choie is nice to see, but surely Brolin’s publicist would have gotten this information into some publications that uploaded their archives. Paywalls might be a problem for some, but surely not for all.) \*“Winner of “most promising actor” polls, Fame and Photoplay magazines, both 1970”, at [Brolin, James 1940- (Jim Brolin) | Encyclopedia.com](http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3069700031.html) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2014, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/647 "2014-05-08T22:19:48Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > The fact that Carson isn’t in the photo makes me think it was a candid photo snapped during a break when Carson had stepped out. It doesn’t look like a professional photo. > Either that, or it’s a video still. > Journalism photos were in black and white then-- except for a few magazines, journals printed in B&W. I can’t think of a paper that printed color photos in 1970. This photo is blurry, and the lighting is bad, so I think it may be a video still, or else something an audience member snapped without permission. A real publicity photo would look much better. Good information–thanks. Yes, it’s plausible that someone who’d come with one of the stars simply snapped this picture–that it wasn’t ‘official.’ (You’d think they’d have taken more than one, dang it…) ---
**Author:** ![Cartoonacy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/848f3c/32.png) [@Cartoonacy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartoonacy)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2014, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/648 "2014-05-08T23:07:28Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Now, at the risk of feeding the conspiracy theory, I have to point out that the listing from the newspaper for the Tonight show says that the guests are the winners of the 50th annual photoplay awards, but the 50th annual awards were in 1971, not 1970. So the listing must be wrong, at least in that regard. Or the article I just linked to is wrong, or the people running the awards decided to have two ‘50th year’ celebrations. Not really. It’s like the debate over when the 21st Century began. The [headline](http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=266&dat=19710929&id=8_ErAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HAYGAAAAIBAJ&pg=946,8606392)said “Photoplay Awards Mark 50th Year.” It seems to me that means they’ve been giving the awards for 50 years. When you host the first of a series of annual events, the clock starts there. The 2nd annual event marks its 1st anniversary. The 3rd annual event marks the 2nd anniversary. And so on. So the 50th annual Photoplay Awards were presented in 1970. And the 51st annual Photoplay Awards in 1971 would mark the event’s 50th year. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2014, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/649 "2014-05-08T23:13:02Z")
My best guess is that the photograph was taken by a photographer for Photoplay to document the event, and that it occurred off-air. After all, if you’re a magazine called ‘Photoplay’ that’s highly dependent on visual imagery, and you’re giving out awards to movie and TV stars, I’m pretty sure you’d want some photos of the event. And given that it looks like there was no separate awards ceremony, then being on the show _is_ the ceremony. That would explain why everyone is in a tux, including Ed and the MM. It’s a ‘very special show’. Next, you’d have to ask who would be in the special guest chair. If you ask me, it would have to be either the winner of the top award (who we’d know), or the guy presenting the awards and/or representing the magazine. So that’s my best guess as of now - our MM is a representative for Photoplay, or he’s an actor who’s been asked to MC the giving of the awards. The most likely answer is that he’s a rep for the magazine, and probably high up - maybe the editor or publisher or something. He could even be the marketing manager in charge of the promotion. So, what can we find out about the management of Photoplay in 1970? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2014, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/650 "2014-05-08T23:14:42Z")
> [@Cartoonacy](#): > > Not really. It’s like the debate over when the 21st Century began. > > The [headline](http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=266&dat=19710929&id=8_ErAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HAYGAAAAIBAJ&pg=946,8606392)said “Photoplay Awards Mark 50th Year.” It seems to me that means they’ve been giving the awards for 50 years. > > When you host the first of a series of annual events, the clock starts there. The 2nd annual event marks its 1st anniversary. The 3rd annual event marks the 2nd anniversary. And so on. > > So the 50th annual Photoplay Awards were presented in 1970. And the 51st annual Photoplay Awards in 1971 would mark the event’s 50th year. Yeah, I suppose. It seems a marginally strange distinction, but it would also be a good way to have two ‘50th year’ celebrations. Good marketing. So you’re probably right. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2014, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/651 "2014-05-08T23:25:12Z")
This thread is wayyy to long to read everything. Did we figure out who it is? Did anyone guess Red Buttons? ---
**Author:** ![randompattern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@randompattern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randompattern)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2014, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/652 "2014-05-08T23:49:36Z")
Whoever he is, I hate him. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2014, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/653 "2014-05-08T23:51:34Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > This thread is wayyy to long to read everything. Did we figure out who it is? > > Did anyone guess Red Buttons? Not Red Buttons. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2014, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/654 "2014-05-08T23:54:45Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > This thread is wayyy to long to read everything. Did we figure out who it is? I believe the consensus is that it’s Peter Mark Richman, who was there with his band “Death Ray” to sing “Marianas Trench,” a 20 minute song which happened to be the inspiration for “Rio” by Duran Duran. ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/655 "2014-05-09T00:01:08Z")
^ Quickly, Morbo, you’re in the wrong thread in the wrong forum–you must flee! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/656 "2014-05-09T00:01:20Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Not Red Buttons. :rolleyes: Why not? It may be a longshot, but hell, everyone else on the planet has been guessed. Look at the chin, the nose, and the shape of the ears. Also, while it’s hard to tell on such an old photo it appears there may be some red in his hair. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/657 "2014-05-09T00:15:25Z")
I suppose I could order the pertinent issue of Photoplay from eBay, but that feels like the first step toward madness. ---
**Author:** ![cococ173](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ab097/32.png) [@cococ173](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cococ173)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/658 "2014-05-09T00:18:11Z")
Stop! Don’t order anything. I am just waiting for a confirmation of Carol’s response. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/659 "2014-05-09T00:18:12Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > I suppose I could order the pertinent issue of Photoplay from eBay, but that feels like the first step toward madness. No, that’s subscribing to this thread. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/challenge-who-is-the-man-sitting-with-all-the-stars-on-johnny-carson/687321/660 "2014-05-09T00:29:55Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Why? Because _it’s something that people do on the Internet_. Some people post faked content to get attention/stir up emotion/make a name for themselves. Do you really want to claim that this doesn’t occur? Seriously? Please calm the heck down. Faked content, yes. A naked Marilyn Monroe with RFK, sure. Adding Bert from _Sesame Street_ to a wide shot of the UN Assembly where Colin Powell gave evidence for WMDs, absolutely. But adding some unknown dude to a marginal group of B- and C-list celebrities from an _actual_ Tonight Show appearance, one that would require finding a shot with all the celebrities in a group and one _empty first chair_ (which was, to put it mildly, unusual on the Tonight Show)? And then uploading it and causing an “uproar” on some extremely minor sites, all with a goal “to make a name for himself,” you say? This isn’t exactly a puzzle gripping the entire internet a la “That’s the beauty of it, it doesn’t _do_ anything!” The only place I’m seeing this discussion is here and on a few FB groups. If it came from _SomethingAwful_ or _eBaumsworld_ or 4chan or whatever, it would have spread faaaaaar wider than some Facebook groups and the SDMB, not to sully the SDMB by implying it’s not one of the hugest most awesome forums in the world, but… it ain’t. > [@](#): > > The repeated attempts to equate a call for evidence (as opposed to simply accepting things without examination), with a belief in “a conspiracy,” are disappointing. BECAUSE WE \*HAVE \*EVIDENCE. The only reason it’s so freaking frustrating is because nothing is good enough for you. First a dozen newspapers dating back to 11/1970 are found with that _exact_ grouping (minus Wayne and Davis and MM). But no, that’s not good enough, these _pay-walled_ archives can somehow be faked. Then **Lamia** finds a _New York Times_ reference, but that’s still not good enough (you don’t bother mentioning it because it doesn’t fit your pet theory–and yes, someone who pushes away all logical cites _is_ indeed coming across like a chemtrail/faked moon-landing CTer, that’s their M.O.). > [@](#): > > But let’s assume that the _majority_ of readers of this thread don’t care to abandon logic to that extent, and really do want to know what’s behind the photo. On that assumption, a few notes: Ooookay. Yeah. I’ve been doing solid research in finding those newspaper listings and now you’re accusing me of not wanting to know what’s behind the photo? Nice. > [@](#): > > \*\*\*Yes, it’s important evidence if television listings that agree are found in every source we can reasonably (meaning, without having to fork over cash to get behind a paywall) examine. Agreement among listings increases the chances that the photo is genuine. Cool, so you DO acknowledge that these are legit sources and the agreements are increasing the likelihood that this is real? Good, welcome back to logictown. > [@](#): > > \*\*\*Have we forgotten that it’s well-established that people _do_, sometimes, post untrue things on the Internet? That discussion came up a few pages back, and examples were posted. But perhaps this has been forgotten by some, so some additional examples may be helpful: I’ve been on the internet for twenty years. Please don’t condescend. (I’ve certainly been around long enough to know not to underline text when trying to emphasize stuff.) > [@](#): > > As for the “1970 Photoplay Awards”…it would appear that we’ve arrived at an admission that **there was no ceremony that the Photo people were coming from** (or going to). Who’s this “we,” kemosabe? Noooo, we don’t have that “admission.” Where is that from? They probably went to a party or dinner afterwards. It’s Hollywood, you think they’re gonna miss a chance at an event? Think of it like the People’s Choice Awards. > [@](#): > > We seem to have consensus that the best that Photoplay ever did in the arena of getting publicity for their awards—the results of votes by magazine readers, by the way—was to get them mentioned on talk shows. Only _daytime_ talk shows, sometimes. So: not a Big Prestige situation. What daytime talk shows? \*The Joey Bishop Show \* (which, btw, I see announced the _Photoplay_ award winners in both 1968 and 1969–the 46th and 47th annual awards, acc. to the IMDB) was on opposite _The Tonight Show_; so was _The Merv Griffin Show_ at that time. The _Glen Campbell Goodtime Hour_ special was on at 7:30pm, same as a first-run episode of _Ironside_. So, cite about the daytime talk shows, please? > [@](#): > > Several sources indicate that the regular “Photoplay Awards” were three in number (Gold Medal movie, Most Popular Actor, and Most Popular Actress)–and ended in 1968. And several sources say otherwise, including [JohnWayne.com](http://JohnWayne.com) and all the newspapers we’re finding. There were also Most Promising Newcomer awards (Marlo Thomas and James Brolin were once winners of those). Tell me how someone fakes a newspaper, no, dozens of newspapers, behind paywalls. How they fake Google News archives. How they fake the _New York Times_. Damn! I’m not saying it’s impossible that the photo is a hoax, but to me, the things that are _not_ in dispute that you keep trying to brush aside are the facts that _Photoplay_ had awards that year and they gave them to each of the people in that photo, possibly excluding MM or somehow involving him in a producer/backstage capacity. 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