# Champion-of-Truth and his "sources" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 12, 2011, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113 "2011-02-12T07:22:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/21 "2011-02-12T12:33:16Z")
Heck, “Champion.” It seems as you’re the one in need of remedial readhing comp. Your laughable post in the other thread showed you whining about Hawaii’s DHHL requirements. I guess nobody bothered to tell you what’s meant there by Native Hawaiian. Here’s a hint for you: “Native American” and “natural born American” have two different meanings. Want another hint? Think of the difference between “Navajo” and “Caucasian born in the US.” ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/22 "2011-02-12T14:20:07Z")
I always thought the Truthers were the limit of human stupidity - then the Birthers came along and proved me wrong. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/23 "2011-02-12T14:27:22Z")
How to deal with COT. Click his name, click “view public profile,” click the User List option, and then click add to Ignore list. Click Yes to confirm. DNFTFT. I’d say for you to use FFvB and make him disappear completely, but that’s not going to work once Firefox 4.0, 5.0, 6.0, and 7.0 come out this year. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/24 "2011-02-12T15:16:45Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > PROVE ME WRONG, dumb-ass! CITE! As you love to say. Show me where what I claimed is not true. I’ve got this cute green dragon living in my basement. PROVE ME WRONG, dumb-ass! > [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Prove my websites are disreputable. I just TOLD you something. Prove my claim is disreputable. Now, little friend. In an intelligent discussion, it’s the person that makes a claim that has to prove that his/her claim has any credibility at all. You see, you can’t pull stuff out of your hat, your only claim to truth is that the other part can’t/won’t bother disproving your claim, and expect being believed by intelligent people. Yours are the type of arguments my kids used to use in preschool. Now, go home to Mom and don’t bother the adults. If you stop throwing those tantrums, you may even have a cookie. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/25 "2011-02-12T15:46:43Z")
Would someone please explain how the Honolulu Advertiser published on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961 Barack’s birth [announcement?]([http://www.factcheck.org/elections](http://www.factcheck.org/elections) 2008/born\_in\_the\_usa.html) (about 3/4 of the way down the page) American’s so love their conspiracies. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/26 "2011-02-12T16:04:03Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > I also explained earlier that the Hawaii Dept. of Health changed their website in response to the eligibility issue in 2009 or 2010 and scrubbed the parts that said the COLB was not considered adequate for proving native (Hawaiian) birth or for other reasons. The reason the Department of Hawaiian Homelands (not the department of Health) preferred that people applying for access to Hawaiian Land revenue submit a Certificate of Live Birth rather than a Certification of Live Birth was that the Certificate of Life Birth has more information than a Certification of Live Birth. Since, in order to apply for that, you need to be of Native Hawaiian blood (ethnically Hawaiian), they want as much information as possible. But, according to Hawaiian law (predating Obama’s presidency), a COLB provided by the Department of Health is functionally the same as the original: > [@](#): > > ``` > §338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof. > > (b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18. > > ``` > [@](#): > > §338-19 Photostatic or typewritten copies of records. The department of health is authorized to prepare typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies of any records and files in its office, which by reason of age, usage, or otherwise are in such condition that they can no longer be conveniently consulted or used without danger of serious injury or destruction thereof, and to certify to the correctness of such copies. The typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies shall be competent evidence in all courts of the State with like force and effect as the original. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/27 "2011-02-12T16:15:50Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Would someone please explain how the Honolulu Advertiser published on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961 Barack’s birth [announcement?]([http://www.factcheck.org/elections](http://www.factcheck.org/elections) 2008/born\_in\_the\_usa.html) (about 3/4 of the way down the page) > American’s so love their conspiracies. Time traveling lizard people from the 8th dimension planted the article. I mean, it’s obvious! I still think **Champion-of-Poop** sounds like Glenn Beck on a cough syrup and diet pill fueled bender. I’m sure he’ll crawl back under his bridge as soon as he starts missing those three billy goats. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/28 "2011-02-12T16:32:06Z")
**Champion-of-Truth** , assuming you’re not a hypocritical jackass, which is a big assumption consider the fact you are one, please prove you are a US citizen. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/29 "2011-02-12T16:38:44Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > **Champion-of-Truth** , assuming you’re not a hypocritical jackass, which is a big assumption consider the fact you are one, please prove you are a US citizen. And official documentation doesn’t count. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/30 "2011-02-12T16:45:13Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Prove my websites are disreputable. You’re a member of Al Qaeda. We don’t have to prove anything to you. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/31 "2011-02-12T16:52:05Z")
People, if **Champion-of-Truth** s head explodes, I am Not cleaning it up… ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/32 "2011-02-12T16:59:05Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Why are even his allies such as Abercrombie admitting that the birth certificate does not exist? This is clearly a fabrication, Abercrombie never said that and the source that claimed that Abercrombie said that apologized. And if the outfits that you claim to trust do not mention a retraction or clarification they are indeed certified to be disreputable. [http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/celebrity-journalist-says-he-never-talked-hawaii-governor-obama-birth/](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/celebrity-journalist-says-he-never-talked-hawaii-governor-obama-birth/) The birther movement and the sources they use are seen indeed as nuts by even extreme conservatives that have an ounce of intelligence (not that that ounce helps them much overall) > **[Home 2024 \* WorldNetDaily](https://www.wnd.com/?pageId=261673)** > > A Free Press For A Free People Since 1997 > [@](#): > > Fox News anchor Bill O’Reilly took a jab at those seeking proof of Barack Obama’s constitutional eligibility for president this week by referring to them as “nutty.” [http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/ann-coulter-calls-birthers-cranks.php](http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/ann-coulter-calls-birthers-cranks.php) > [@](#): > > Memo to Birthers: Even Ann Coulter calls you a bunch of “cranks.” > > Appearing on Fox News this past Friday, Coulter further blamed the liberal media for using the Birthers to smear the political right, saying that multiple conservative publications looked at this issue last year and concluded that there’s nothing there: > > “So for CNN or MSNBC, or you Geraldo, the liberal on Fox, to be bringing this out as if it’s an issue, you know, it’s just a few cranks out there,” Really, the Champ of Poop is even clueless of the actual respect sources like WND get from even mainstream right wing media. And that was just from the “mildly” intelligent right wing side, other critics of WND and this misleading subject have plenty of evidence on why one should not rely on sources like them. > **[WorldNetDaily, Serial Liar | ConWebWatch](https://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2008/wndliar08.html)** ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/33 "2011-02-12T17:07:24Z")
OK, so he picked up a “fact” from the comments on _Newsbusters_. Its like getting an STD from licking the toilet bowl at the Greyhound Bus depot, it could happen to anybody! ---
**Author:** ![Cort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/77aa72/32.png) [@Cort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cort)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/34 "2011-02-12T17:14:31Z")
Why the fuck are people trying to engage in any way with a _birther_?!? They’re like 9/11 “truther” scumbags, you can’t educate them. It’s like kicking water uphill, you haven’t got a chance. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/35 "2011-02-12T17:21:47Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > People, if **Champion-of-Truth** s head explodes, I am Not cleaning it up… Why? There’s nothing in there. Its like popping a balloon. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/36 "2011-02-12T17:24:07Z")
Well, nothing but a bunch of beefcake pin-ups of Anderson Cooper. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/37 "2011-02-12T17:25:40Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > OK, so he picked up a “fact” from the comments on _Newsbusters_. Its like getting an STD from licking the toilet bowl at the Greyhound Bus depot, it could happen to anybody! Well, that would explain the ‘wide stance’. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/38 "2011-02-12T17:28:52Z")
Anderson Cooper gave him that wide stance. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/39 "2011-02-12T17:36:28Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Ibn Warraq, you still need a course in reading comprehension. I did not, as you put it: > > “insist that Barack Obama was born in Kenya” > > I said we have no idea where he was born, since we have not seen his long form birth certificate. I did point out that some of his relatives insist he was born in Kenya, but that doesn’t prove anything. Which is why we need a true, long form certificate of birth. > > See, you’re pulling a typical liberal stunt of attributing something to me that I never said. > > I also explained earlier that the Hawaii Dept. of Health changed their website in response to the eligibility issue in 2009 or 2010 and scrubbed the parts that said the COLB was not considered adequate for proving native (Hawaiian) birth or for other reasons. > > It’s disturbing how idiot sheeple liberals like yourself are so willing to believe anything that is fed to you without question. Why won’t Obama release his long form birth certificate? Why has he spent $2 MILLION dollars to suppress a $10 piece of paper? Why has he sealed his passport records, his school records, his birth certificate, his Harvard papers, his adoption papers, and everything else about his past when he ran on a platform of “transparency”? > > Why will no hospital claim to be his official place of birth? Why was it changed from one hospital to another as I posted in the other thread? Why do his relative insist he was born in Kenya? Why did the Kenyan ambassador make the same claim (I believe it was the ambasssador…it was some government official)? Why are even his allies such as Abercrombie admitting that the birth certificate does not exist? Why is Factcheck and other pro-Obama lackeys claiming to have seen, touched, and examined the ORIGINAL birth certificate in 2009 and 2010 when Hawaii claims it was destroyed in 2001? > > Why is it that there is no record of Obama Sr. and Obama’s mama living together as man and wife? Why did she leave for Seattle within 3 weeks of Obama’s birth and leave Obama Sr. behind? > > Why is Obama using a Social Security number registered originally to a man born in 1890 and registered in a state (Connecticut) where he did not live or even have any record of visiting? > > If you’re so blind and stupid not to see something fishy going on, they you’re a pathetic excuse for a citizen. This is the stupidest thing ever. I was born in Pennsylvania. There was time when I had my own “long form birth certificate”, but I lost it years ago. There is no other copy. My own long form birth certificate does not exist anymore. When I needed an official birth certificate for myself after I had lost the original, I wrote to the PA vital statistics office for one. They sent me a “Certificate of Live Birth” that looks exactly like the one for Obama. It is exactly equivalent to any other kind of birth certificate; in my case there is no other birth certificate existing. ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113/40 "2011-02-12T17:51:56Z")
Well since idiots like Gigobuster, Capt Amazing and Morgenstern keep asking the same questions which Ive already addressed, I won’t waste time answering their idiotic questions. I explained the newspaper announcements, etc. I spelled out what Hawaii means by native born (ie native Hawaiian not native born American). But you liberals can’t read. Or maybe you just don’t bother to read because you’re afraid you might hear something that shatters your silly worldview. As for Abercrombie, yes, they did retract the exact wording that he can’t find the actual birth certificate, but he did say that: "“It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down.” So it’s another case of “Trust me, because someone supposedly knows someone who claims they saw a notation written somewhere.” Note that he did NOT say that they found the original birth certificate, but rather a “notation” about Obama’s birth. Abercrombie acknowledged the birth certificate issue will have “political implications” for the next presidential election “that we simply cannot have.” [COLOR=#000000] He also stated that the birth certificate problem will present “issues” in the next election that “We simply can’t have”. I’m sure he means that it’s going to disqualify his buddy Obama from running again. So to all you sheeple, why are you so opposed to Obama simply showing his original birth certificate, which he claims exists, which his friends claim exists, and which he claims he FOUND A COPY OF inside one of his books? As for the rest of you who are simply posting half-witted drivel, I got better things to do with my time. [/COLOR] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champion-of-truth-and-his-sources/571113.md?page=3)