# Champlain Towers South in Miami has caved in {2021-06-24} **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [June 24, 2021, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931 "2021-06-24T09:42:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Ron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecae2f/32.png) [@Ron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ron)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/242 "2021-06-29T16:25:18Z")
talking about foreign aid brings international politics into the discussion??? The moderator brought in Politics, not me. Nothing I said had to do with politics. All of what I said had to do with how the news covers the breaking news story. And mentioning the we give money to Israel is NOT being political as both Political party do it. Maybe the moderators are Jewish and don’t want to allow any discussion that may make Israel look bad? I see nothing wrong with, and don’t threaten me with your " it won’t end well " comment. Go ahead and block me, even better get Israel’s puppet (the US government) to ban me completely from the web like they did to anyone in Iran. Plus if anyone has experience in finding dead kids and grandparents in collapsed building, it would be the Palestinians. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/243 "2021-06-29T16:35:00Z")
> [@Ron](#): > > Maybe the moderators are Jewish and don’t want to allow any discussion that may make Israel look bad? And that will get you a suspension while we review your posting privileges. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/244 "2021-06-29T17:32:10Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > This is a complete sidebar question: why are condo towers in Florida named after the founder of Quebec? I don’t know about other condos but this group was built by a developer who left Canada under interesting circumstances. [Champlain Towers South Associates, led by the Canadian property developer Nathan Reiber.](https://nypost.com/2021/06/27/developers-of-fla-tower-were-accused-of-paying-off-officials/) “The developers behind the project had included Nathan Reiber, a Polish-born Canadian who was also once charged with tax evasion and cited for legal misconduct in Canada” ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/245 "2021-06-29T18:52:23Z")
I bet the contractors are thankful they were still giving bids. It saved their workers lives and avoided any finger-pointing that their remedial work triggered the collapse. Especially since the planned repairs we’ve heard about weren’t structural. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/246 "2021-06-29T20:23:26Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > IIRC it took at least 8 years to clear the NY towers. (they were sifting all the rubble for plane parts and remains). The cleanup of the debris from the Twin Towers [took about 8 months](https://edition.cnn.com/2002/US/05/30/rec.wtc.cleanup/), not 8 years. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/247 "2021-06-29T20:27:07Z")
Thank you for the correction. My memory of the event had distorted the length of time. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/248 "2021-06-29T22:44:56Z")
> [@Ron](#): > > And the news should report what floor did the people live on they find the bodies. Like they recovered 10 bodies, well what floor are they from? That info is being released. This article lists those identified so far and the apt numbers. > **[What we know about the victims of the Surfside building collapse](https://abcnews.go.com/US/victims-surfside-condo-collapse/story?id=78517075)** > > Local police have released the names of all but three of the victims. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/249 "2021-06-29T23:07:25Z")
Apartments listed are 704, 804, 904, 903, 1002, and 1101. Assuming a logical numbering scheme, sounds like they were close to being right above each other. I wonder if these units were from the part of the building that fell about ten seconds after the center section - possibly in units that were torn open when that first section collapsed? They might have been ejected outwards so that less debris landed on top of them. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/250 "2021-06-29T23:41:39Z")
I found this layout. I cannot verify it’s accuracy [https://images.app.goo.gl/vKFmLhqz2iMApkTq7](https://images.app.goo.gl/vKFmLhqz2iMApkTq7) Eta: it comes from a reddit thread with **alot** of info. Once again I have not verified any info in that thread! ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/251 "2021-06-29T23:50:06Z")
[[Album] Champlain Towers South Floor plan floors 2-12 ![](https://i.imgur.com/Lj27Imt.jpeg?fb "Champlain Towers South Floor plan floors 2-12") ](https://imgur.com/gallery/jojEuyJ) ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/252 "2021-06-30T01:56:51Z")
Parts of Mexico have a lot of experience with this kind of thing, because of earthquakes. They’re also going to find a lot of pet remains in the rubble, and will need to differentiate those from human remains. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/253 "2021-06-30T02:04:02Z")
I read a book a while back by a pathologist or anthropologist (can’t remember which) who worked in the coroner’s office, processing specimens. One day, she unzipped a body bag, and started to giggle. Another worker asked her what was so funny, and she replied, “This is a pork chop.” A third worker said, “Last week, the crew lined up and saluted a leg of lamb.” Their reactions were the only way they could get through a job like that. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/254 "2021-06-30T02:15:04Z")
So, all on the north-facing tier, from the look of the video the side that ended up on the top-and-“outside” of the collapse. All those 04s would be the ones that in the pictures of the still-standing upper floors are seen with a half a room left open with furniture still in against the back wall so yeah, less likely to be deep in the “pancaking”. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/255 "2021-06-30T02:39:48Z")
There’s an amazing story coming out about a family who lives in apt 111 (which is surely now at the very bottom of the pile) escaping. Apparently, there was a very loud cracking noise and rumbling from beneath their apt and one of them noticed the pool deck starting to cave in and so they ran. Seems there was a 1 to 2 min delay from when the deck started to collapse to the catastrophic failure of the building. Pretty miraculous! > **[‘Everyone, Start Running': Resident Recounts Narrow Escape From Collapse](https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/i-had-to-run-out-family-explains-narrow-escape-from-collapse/2483102/)** > > When part of a beachfront condominium building collapsed in Surfside, Gabriel Nir and his family escaped what would have been certain death. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/256 "2021-06-30T03:11:50Z")
I don’t think many people understand the significance of energy transfer. When you have a large piece of concrete fall it creates a tremendous amount of energy. Force= mass times velocity. Energy is going somewhere. If it becomes focused on a column then it could shatter it or drive it horizontally. There’s no way for someone to know. It could hit a column or wall like a train hitting a car. I can easily see a water fractured column blown apart or the remaining concrete slabs driven sideways causing a shift in the buildings. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/257 "2021-06-30T03:53:48Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > So, all on the north-facing tier, from the look of the video the side that ended up on the top-and-“outside” of the collapse. All those 04s would be the ones that in the pictures of the still-standing upper floors are seen with a half a room left open with furniture still in against the back wall so yeah, less likely to be deep in the “pancaking”. So we have units 5 through 9 surviving, 1-3 and 9-12 pancaked, and half of the unit 4s sheared off? Unfortunately looks like the bedrooms in unit 4 were on the collapse side… ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/258 "2021-06-30T04:42:20Z")
you have unit 9 in two categories… 9 appears intact to me. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/259 "2021-06-30T06:00:03Z")
Yes, I meant 10-12 pancaked (not 9-12). ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/260 "2021-06-30T20:09:04Z")
A little positive news amid this tragedy. He got to spend the night and avoided getting crushed in his apartment. > **[Surfside resident lucky to be alive after spending night with girlfriend](https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/06/29/surfside-resident-lucky-to-be-alive-after-spending-night-with-girlfriend/)** > > Erick de Moura says he wouldn’t have survived if he went home to Champlain Towers South on Wednesday night instead of watching soccer and staying at his girlfriend's place. > [@](#): > > On Wednesday night, he played soccer and then went to his girlfriend’s place, where they had friends over to watch the Brazil-Colombia Copa América match. > > When the night was coming to a close and de Moura started to leave, his girlfriend Fernanda Figueiredo told him to stay. > > “She said to me, ‘When do we have a Wednesday night just the two of us?’” de Moura recalled in an interview with ABC World News Tonight. ---
**Author:** ![jnglmassiv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f07891/32.png) [@jnglmassiv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jnglmassiv)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/261 "2021-06-30T20:28:21Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Force= mass times velocity. Acceleration but your point stands. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931.md?page=14)