# Champlain Towers South in Miami has caved in {2021-06-24} **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [June 24, 2021, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931 "2021-06-24T09:42:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/685 "2021-09-30T19:30:17Z")
Well, OK, as long as the survivors and heirs of the deceased get the money and not someone else like a politician or other big wig. Although I’ve been hearing many of the heirs want a memorial. Personally, I think it’s nuts to buy property in Florida right now between climate change and rising oceans but that’s me. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/686 "2021-09-30T20:04:19Z")
That seems like an awfully high price for just the property. The original building had about 100 units which averaged less than $1mil each. So that’s means they’re close to the break even point before they even start. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/687 "2021-10-02T15:59:18Z")
have they even examined the sub-foundation? The forensics of that is going to dictate the investment needed. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Downtown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Mr\_Downtown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Downtown)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2021, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/688 "2021-10-03T05:09:35Z")
Not sure what you mean. I can’t imagine they’d reuse any of the old pilings/caissons—especially with the questions that have been raised about the 1980 contractor having skimped on rebar. They’ll put down entirely new supporting piers for any new highrise, both for public relations/peace of mind and because the new building will undoubtedly be much taller. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2021, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/689 "2021-10-03T05:18:16Z")
there’s a 12 height restriction in Surfside > **[15-1640-maximum-building-heights.pdf](https://www.townofsurfsidefl.gov/docs/default-source/default-document-library/town-clerk-documents/town-ordinances/2015/15-1640-maximum-building-heights.pdf?sfvrsn=a4c64494_2)** > > 561.52 KB ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2021, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/690 "2021-10-03T05:41:31Z")
^12 story ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2021, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/691 "2021-10-03T06:54:20Z")
> [@Mr\_Downtown](#): > > Not sure what you mean. I can’t imagine they’d reuse any of the old pilings/caissons—especially with the questions that have been raised about the 1980 contractor having skimped on rebar. They’ll put down entirely new supporting piers for any new highrise, both for public relations/peace of mind and because the new building will undoubtedly be much taller. the structural failures regarding rebar is a separate issue from the pier support structure. It’s not that they will use the original pylons but that there may be significant issues with the hydraulic forces of ground water linked to the rise/fall of the tide that affect the garage floor base that sits on top of the pylon system. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/692 "2021-10-03T14:30:55Z")
Any guesses as to how many million dollars just to clear the site? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/693 "2022-03-09T15:31:43Z")
> **[Tentative settlement agreement reached for surviving victims, victims’...](https://www.local10.com/news/local/2022/03/08/tentative-agreement-reached-for-surviving-victims-victims-families-of-surfside-building-collapse/)** > > A tentative agreement has been reached between lawyers for victims of the Surfside building collapse. A pool of $83 million to be split up. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/694 "2022-06-23T19:18:17Z")
A bit more than $83 million: > **[One year after Surfside condo collapse in Florida, a legal settlement is...](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/23/1107080359/one-year-after-surfside-condo-collapse-in-florida-a-legal-settlement-is-approved)** > > The $1.2 billion settlement is for unit owners and families of those who died in the condo tower. It was finalized one day before the anniversary of the disaster in which 98 people died. I am surprised there was that much insurance carried by the various defendants. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/695 "2022-06-24T13:53:18Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > I am surprised there was that much insurance carried by the various defendants. The article said “numerous defendants” so it could be the city involved also. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2022, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/696 "2022-10-28T12:15:10Z")
Port Royale Condominium at 6969 Collins Avenue was declared unsafe and evacuated last night out of concern that it, too, will collapse. > **[Miami Beach condo building evacuated near deadly collapse](https://www.whsv.com/2022/10/28/miami-building-evacuated-near-site-deadly-condo-collapse/)** > > A report from the building’s structural engineer prompted the evacuation notice of the 164-unit structure at 6969 Collins Avenue, which is in the process of undergoing a 50-year recertification. > A structural engineering report prompted the evacuation of the 164-unit structure, which is in the process of undergoing a required recertification. An engineer discovered that a main support beam identified for repair 10 months ago had shifted and that a crack in the beam had expanded, and other structural supports may need repair as well, the report said. > “There’s cracks in the column, cracks in the base, I mean in the garage, in the two storage garages, there’s cracks in the beams, everywhere,” Marsh Markaj, a building resident who said he works in construction and noticed the problems, told WPLG-TV. ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2022, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/697 "2022-10-28T14:56:23Z")
No worries - a few Acro props will sort it out. [![](https://www.acrow.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/AcrowProp-1.jpg) ](https://www.acrow.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/AcrowProp-1.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2022, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/698 "2022-10-28T15:46:38Z")
As of 11am EST today haven’t the marketing front page from their site goes like… “…steps from beautiful Miami Beaches, The Port Royale offers a robust resort-style lifestyle and direct access to white sand beaches…” Already not exactly the best written copy, the choice of the word “robust” especially stands out now. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2022, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/699 "2022-10-28T15:51:08Z")
Well, they may not be lying about the “direct access to white sand beaches” part. ---
**Author:** ![jnglmassiv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f07891/32.png) [@jnglmassiv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jnglmassiv)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2022, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/700 "2022-10-28T19:20:43Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > 6969 Collins Avenue Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2022, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/701 "2022-10-28T19:37:52Z")
I’m wondering if there’s a sinkhole lurking under all that real estate. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2022, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/702 "2022-10-28T19:45:00Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I’m wondering if there’s a sinkhole lurking under all that real estate. - Parking garage. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2022, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/703 "2022-12-10T03:14:19Z")
Anybody look at the Champlain Towers site in Google Maps Street View lately? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2022, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931/704 "2022-12-10T03:43:05Z")
> [@SCAdian](#): > > look at the Champlain Towers site in Google Maps Street View lately? Just took a peek. And? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/champlain-towers-south-in-miami-has-caved-in-2021-06-24/944931.md?page=36)