I assume they have LIDAR out there taking measurements of the debris as it is removed. they should be able to reconstruct the collapse down to millimeters.
Er… no it’s not.
I mean, it might be so where you live in NYC, but out here in the Midwest “sublet” as I’ve encountered it means I’m renting a unit and for whatever reason I can’t finish out the least so I re-rent it to someone else and use the money they pay me to pay the rent until the lease runs out. See here. I think every apartment lease I’ve signed has usually forbidden sub-letting without the approval of the landlord, or barred it completely.
That was badly phrased.
I should’ve said “within the universe of people that own their apartments, only people that own co-op apartments refer to renting out the apartment as “subletting”. This is because what you own is, technically, a proprietary lease on your unit - and when you rent out the unit you are subleasing, like a renter would if they rented their apartment to a third party. I guess if you own a condo you refer to this as renting out your apartment, or something.
My comment was specific to the difference between a co-op and condo. Sorry if I was unclear.
Thank you for the clarification
Yeah, after I posted I wondered if it might a the New York co-op thing. Used to drive past Co-op City driving from Philly to Boston. From what I’ve heard co-op boards have to approve new owners (condo boards generally don’t have that right), so I assume they have to approve who the unit is sublet to…
Actually the building was collapsing as she was getting out. Very fortunately for her, she ran to the elevators, which were in the most stable part of the building at that point. She ended up going down the stairs next to the elevator bank. She said the stairs were crumbling as she made her way down. If she had gone down the stairs nearest her unit, she’d have never made it. She was damned lucky.
Yes they do.
I’ve gained a new appreciation for my building and the board I served on. Our building did not have any general restrictions on subletting aside from the board having to approve each tenant. This is rare, most buildings require that you maintain residence for a few years or more before they allow subletting.
This meant that a lot of the apartments in our building were owned by non-resident real estate professionals, some who volunteered for the board positions. They worked closely with the management company that we used, our treasurer was also an accountant that worked for the management company. At most times, the board had 4 investors and three residents. We would’ve liked more residents but no one wanted to do it.
While this had its downsides, the regulatory and compliance stuff got done efficiently and without a lot of the drama typical of other volunteer boards. I don’t think I realized how valuable that was until I was reading about this incident.
The video and stills at 8:00-8:30 of apparent concrete collapse and a broken water pipe in the garage are, to say the least, interesting.
Yes, that’s been around for awhile. If it came from a phone camera it will have a very precise time stamp. they wouldn’t have seen the beginning of the collapse but it would have ejected air and debris out of the garage entrance towards them. they’re very luck it collapsed away from them.
It’s utterly amazing how many different people of varying levels of expertise, working separately, have come up with logical, well-reasoned theories of why the collapse occurred, the vast majority of which will turn out to be partially or completely wrong.
Well, not that amazing.
Apparently only service animals were allowed in the building so there were not a lot of pets. However, I have heard of at least two cats that they were trying to rescue. One poor woman was able to escape with her dog but not her cat and they had a firefighter in a cherry picker try to get the other but he was forbidden to go into the building so could only call her and leave food and water on the balcony. Add Mia and Coco to your prayers for all the residents.
I’ve been watching the live feed of the demolition prep which, to be honest, is not very exciting. Looks like they’ve been using cherry pickers for that as well. Not sure how they’re setting up the charges - I expect one of the disaster documentary shows will be informing us in a year or so. No activity around the building that I can see for an hour or two, not sure what’s going on as there is no narration, just raw live video.
Just went down. If you didn’t know better you’d say it was a regular implosion from the angle and distance of the feed camera. Of course we’d have to see the overhead to see just how "clean " was it.
Loudspeakers advising, shelter in place, you don’t know what 's in the dust in the air, it may contain asbestos.
Video here. The clip should start just before the building drops; if that doesn’t work, shuttle to 1:08:50ish
that was a lot of dust
Looks like it all came down. We can tell more in the morning after the dust settles.
The recovery teams can work safely and complete their work for the families.
Any rain will help clear away dust.
I’m surprised they weren’t hosing down the dust. I thought that was pretty standard.
Looks to me like they purposely toppled it away from the debris pile. If that was on purpose (and i think it was) I say “well done!”
It was a little eerie. Yes, you can find any number of building implosions on YouTube, but those tend to be buildings that have been cleared and prepared for demolition–Las Vegas hotels are great examples.
Here, though, although we know there is nobody in the building, it just looks occupied. There is patio furniture on the balconies, and some suites have closed curtains while others don’t. Of course, nobody is in the building, but it still looks eerie to see what looks like an occupied building demolished in this way.
Do you know whether they got them out? I saw one report saying that they were sure there were no pets left in there, but I saw another (before the demolition) from a woman saying she was sure her cat was hiding under a particular bed.