# Change.org Has Sold Out **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 29, 2012, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208 "2012-10-29T14:45:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/21 "2012-10-30T04:07:27Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > Seriously? They succeeded at making a change to a movie website? Pretty good for fourth graders! I think at that age I made a potato battery. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/22 "2012-10-30T04:22:46Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > So you are upset that _they_ (whomever _they_ might be) did not do what you wanted. Now you want people who didn’t care to defend the original basis that you won’t defend, to defend it? I’m not getting this. Could you please explain to me why I should care about your problem? Could you, maybe _explain_ what your problem _is?_ > > Frankly, I’m not seeing a problem. Perhaps you could explain it? The Daily Kos article laid it out fairly clearly. [Change.org](http://Change.org) makes its money from its mailing list, they charge $1.75 a name for their list of subscribers. People subscribed because [Change.org](http://Change.org) was widely perceived as an organization that promoted progressive causes. They did not circulate petitions on behalf of anti-abortionists and corporate interests. Now they are all of a sudden opening up to all causes, including conservative ones. Of course, they will not be selling mailing lists of progressives to conservative organizations, no, they’ll be developing mailing lists of conservatives through campaigns they will do for conservative causes, and they’ll sell THOSE to conservative organizations. But the thing is, the money and clout they amassed to make them effective at this came from their progressive clients and subscribers. They are essentially using the money and organization they got by serving progressive causes to fund and enable serving conservative causes. Why, biting the hand that feeds you is a pretty DAMN apt analogy here. It’s a sell out, a cheap and cynical grasping for money through betrayal of the progressive movement. There, that make sense to ya? ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/23 "2012-10-30T09:35:43Z")
Not really, no. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/24 "2012-10-30T13:32:10Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > And let’s not forget that.. > … > The movie was a critical failure, commercial flop, and according to most had a heavy-handed and stupidly simplistic environmental message anyway. It’s pretty hard to forget things that aren’t true. Unless by “commercial flop” you mean “grossed $350 billion worldwide”, then yes. Oh, and if by “most”, you mean “Lou Dobbs”. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/25 "2012-10-30T14:26:59Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I don’t see an actual debate breaking out after eight hours and The BBQ Pit will provide a better forum for glurge such as Vinyl Turnip’s. I resent your characterization. My post was brief, snarky, and bereft of references to miraculous cures, angel visitation, or holiday footwear for dying parents. ---
**Author:** ![PhiloVance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@PhiloVance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhiloVance)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/26 "2012-10-30T16:00:15Z")
I’m not a raving progressive, but I subscribe to [Change.org](http://Change.org) emails. I’ve even signed one of their petitions. I kind of pick and choose, but hey, that’s just me. Example emails: \*Freddie Mac sold us a home that used to be a meth lab – and they didn’t tell us. \*I did not know that Freddie Mac were real estate brokers! _When my sister fled the house from her ex-boyfriend’s beatings, she didn’t even have time to put her shoes on. He sent her to the hospital with a broken nose and ribs._ This one sounds more serious! ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/27 "2012-10-30T16:06:41Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Do all progressive agree on everything? Yes, they do. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/28 "2012-10-30T16:26:34Z")
No, they don’t! ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/29 "2012-10-30T17:03:04Z")
Duck Season! ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/30 "2012-10-30T17:09:26Z")
> [@PhiloVance](#): > > _When my sister fled the house from her ex-boyfriend’s beatings, she didn’t even have time to put her shoes on. He sent her to the hospital with a broken nose and ribs._ > > This one sounds more serious! Quick someone get that petition so we can all sign it so this woman can get her shoes back! For The Progressives!!! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/31 "2012-10-30T19:21:02Z")
This is worse than when Dylan went electric. Actually, I think we can all sympathize with the OP. Something we really liked changes, and then it becomes something we don’t like so much. Bummer. But it just goes to show that the founders are all about making money after all. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/32 "2012-10-30T20:12:39Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > This is worse than when Dylan went electric. > > Actually, I think we can all sympathize with the OP. Something we really liked changes, and then it becomes something we don’t like so much. Bummer. But it just goes to show that the founders are all about making money after all. If only there was some way a large group of people could let this organization know it doesn’t support a change it wishes to make. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/33 "2012-10-30T20:19:25Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > If only there was some way a large group of people could let this organization know it doesn’t support a change it wishes to make. They could put on a show to raise some money! ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/34 "2012-10-30T20:21:15Z")
Maybe if we all [del]sell our email addresses to spammers[/del] sign a petition, they’ll change their minds. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/35 "2012-10-30T20:54:23Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > They could put on a show to raise some money! _We’re gonna keep on, keep on, keep on, keep on changing all through the night!_ ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/36 "2012-10-30T21:04:27Z")
In a world where an organization dedicated to change changes… ---
**Author:** ![dba\_Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@dba\_Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dba_Fred)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2012, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/37 "2012-10-31T08:38:06Z")
You really _really_ don’t want to hear what’s happened at [Hope.gov](http://Hope.gov) (There’s no [Hope.gov](http://Hope.gov) site, so it works as a joke 2 ways) ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2012, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/38 "2012-10-31T09:37:50Z")
> [@PhiloVance](#): > > Example emails: > > \*Freddie Mac sold us a home that used to be a meth lab – and they didn’t tell us. > > \*I did not know that Freddie Mac were real estate brokers! Bitches got a free meth lab. _Lucky_. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2012, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/39 "2012-10-31T17:30:10Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > This is worse than when Dylan went electric. > > Actually, I think we can all sympathize with the OP. Something we really liked changes, and then it becomes something we don’t like so much. Bummer. But it just goes to show that the founders are all about making money after all. You’re talking about the Republican party aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2012, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208/40 "2012-10-31T18:24:04Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > And let’s not forget that… > (A) That would be far too late to change the movie, so they did nothing of consequence with regards to the actual film, and… > (B) The movie was a critical failure, commercial flop, and according to most had a heavy-handed and stupidly simplistic environmental message anyway. It only scored 55% on Rotten Tomatoes so I’ll give you “critical failure” but with worldwide box office earnings of $335 million I’m going to have to object to the “commercial flop” label. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-org-has-sold-out/639208.md?page=3)