Naah, that’d just be common decency. Heroism requires going above and beyond.
It is now being suggested that the national anthem be changed, too.
If only we still had like buttons…
Speaking of, why don’t we? What’s the harm?
Because then it turns it into something like Reddit. And then it becomes a popularity contest of who can outvote the other.
Side A - gets 90 upvotes/likes
Side B - gets 5 upvotes/likes
Side A wins!
I think you’re confusing civil disobedience with vandalism.
Vandalizing public structures is pretty disobedient.
Ah, but you have heard of him.
It’s been suggested to be changed ever since it accidentally became out anthem anyway.
2 major aspects of civil disobedience is that there is no violence against others, and that the people being disobedient accept the legal consequences of their actions.
I was responding to the nonsensical notion that it was a “free pass” to “settle some scores”.
And you know, now that I think of it, I can probably name more confederate generals and leaders than Union, specifically because of all the controversy over naming things after them.
Yeah, and I’ve heard of Robert E. Lee too. And it wasn’t because of some statue or because my daddy taught me that he was a great man. I absolutely do not think anything significant is going to change in terms of “confederate thinking” because of the removal of confederate statues, but hey, if it makes some people feel better, get rid of them. I’m a yankee that has never spent any significant time in the south and they mean nothing to me.
Does it push comments up or down? If so, that’s a problem. I don’t really care if I “lose.” I do think how many people agree/disagree with me though is an interesting statistic.
It does appear to make some people feel better. A lot of some people, in fact. And I bet very few of them believe that it will change a single racist mind if they are taken down. I think what they would like is simply not to have them honored in public spaces. So if you have no objections to that, then what are we talking about?
In terms of confederate statutes, nothing I suppose.
I guess I’d prefer to have the statues ‘officially defaced’ rather than removed. Replace the plaques talking about bravery in battle with something along the lines of “In the following civil war battles General Arthur J. Peabody fought for the south, the side which supported slavery and seceding from the United States.”
Why? What makes these people worthy if having statues in their image? Should Germany put up a heroic statue of Hitler, but put up a plaque specifying that he led a genocide that killed millions?
Only if, while we are at it, we can put up a 50 foot statue of General Sherman in Atlanta.
You know, as long as we are using statues to make people remember their place, and all.
No, of course taking down the statues won’t, all by itself, completely solve the problem. But it’s a step in the right direction. Journey of a thousand miles, and all that.
I agree. On the other hand, Donald Trump is doing his best to make me want to grant them immunity. Chickenshit turdsack can’t be arsed to do anything about the killing of blacks going on by our police forces, but he’s quick to jump in to save some statues.
Nonsense. Heroism can be seen in a lot of ways, a lot of actions. I grant that the actions were ultimately in service to breaking the Union to retain slavery, and as such do not merit honoring on the city square, but the motivations and actions at the personal level could be measured as heroic.
You are correct that the statues and flags are merely symptoms of the problem. The problem is the attitudes that honor and praise the South. However, one way to begin to address the problem is to counter the notion that waving the flags and displaying the statues is acceptable. They’re not to be honored and praised.
Vandalism can be a form of civil disobedience. Admittedly, it fuzzies up the “civil” part.
As far as placement in a museum or battlefield, that might be appropriate. But not leaving them around the town square and outside the courthouse. Remember, they were put up to show Blacks they would always be second class citizens.