# Chargers Moving to L.A. **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 12, 2017, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942 "2017-01-12T03:33:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942/61 "2017-01-13T22:12:07Z")
Funny how it’s always people who don’t live in the city that denigrate L.A. fans. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942/62 "2017-01-13T22:12:44Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > As for the relocation fee to the NFL, that’s been pro-rated over only 10 years. $65 million a year, maybe with interest on it (?). $65 million is a lot of money to give up in one year. No, the NFL granted the Chargers a debt waiver. They will pay it off over whatever time frame they agree to. It could be 30 years. Something else you’re not getting is that ticket revenue is shared across the league. So your hypothetical $50 million loss is spread out over 31 other teams. Then add in the fact that ticket sales are a small fraction of total revenue and mitigates that loss even further. > [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > And the Chargers will not have naming rights for the new stadium, since it’s owned by the owner of the Rams, as I understand it. No, this is wrong. The Chargers and Rams will jointly share revenue from naming rights. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942/63 "2017-01-14T00:37:33Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Funny how it’s always people who don’t live in the city that denigrate L.A. fans. Los Angeles is made up of over 20 other communities from the ocean to the mountains and desert. Week-ends are RV’s and ATV’s or Vegas runs or North to wine country or any where besides a football game. Like San Diego they are weather orientated and could just stay home after a visit to home Depot and watch the game. I love both San Diego and LA … one reason I just heard was that the new stadium deal will only cost the LA Chargers one dollar a year. On the bright side:[Mike McCoy, former Chargers head coach, to return as Broncos offensive coordinator - SBNation.com](http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2017/1/13/14183724/mike-mccoy-former-chargers-head-coach-to-return-as-broncos-offensive-coordinator) Mike McCoy, former Chargers head coach, to return as Broncos offensive coordinator ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942/64 "2017-01-14T06:08:10Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > No, the NFL granted the Chargers a debt waiver. They will pay it off over whatever time frame they agree to. It could be 30 years. Something else you’re not getting is that ticket revenue is shared across the league. So your hypothetical $50 million loss is spread out over 31 other teams. Then add in the fact that ticket sales are a small fraction of total revenue and mitigates that loss even further. According to multiple stories, Spanos intends to pay the fee in the course of 10 years. See, for example: [this ESPN story](http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18458293/chargers-announce-move-los-angeles-leaving-san-diego). > [@](#): > > No, this is wrong. The Chargers and Rams will jointly share revenue from naming rights. 18.75% of it to each, yes, it turns out. That does help. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942/65 "2017-01-14T07:31:28Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > According to multiple stories, Spanos intends to pay the fee in the course of 10 years. See, for example: [this ESPN story](http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18458293/chargers-announce-move-los-angeles-leaving-san-diego). Up until today, they were expected to take the debt waiver. They still might. I only brought it up because you seem to think it “seriously weird.” Even at the full $55 million/year it is not weird. It is the cost of doing a whole lot more business. > [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > 18.75% of it to each, yes, it turns out. That does help. I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic or not, but MetLife shelled out $400 million to be the home of the Giants and Jets stadium. And that deal will be almost 10 years old by the time the LA stadium is ready. So do you still think the financials are seriously weird? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942/66 "2017-01-14T15:57:07Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [Relevant meme.](http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/14/146565b3a5a1c08499bf61cbc23e26a61715c86279885f80842b0b70c2c23a0a.jpg) I saw a similar meme taken from a disney cartoon with large felines – which works better because that team has never made it to the show, unlike San Diego. Let me see, what other team has never made it – oh, Houston is one. Now that would be a good one. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942/67 "2017-01-14T17:18:04Z")
Go Chargers … Go on to be the great team that you can be even if it is in LA What the heck I don’t live in San Diego anymore so go ---
**Author:** ![russian\_heel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@russian\_heel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/russian_heel)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942/68 "2017-01-19T03:52:54Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Funny how it’s always people who don’t live in the city that denigrate L.A. fans. That and they are “front runner” fans as if LA is the only city in America where poorly playing teams draw low attendances. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942/69 "2017-01-19T05:08:38Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > That and they are “front runner” fans as if LA is the only city in America where poorly playing teams draw low attendances. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk St Louis was also such a city, appropriately enough. ---
**Author:** ![Lorne\_Armstrong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@Lorne\_Armstrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lorne_Armstrong)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942/70 "2017-01-21T09:33:55Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Funny how it’s always people who don’t live in the city that denigrate L.A. fans. Question: Why do Dodger fans always seem to arrive late and leave early? ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_s\_Son](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19adc/32.png) [@Jim\_s\_Son](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_s_Son)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942/71 "2017-01-21T15:44:39Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > That and they are “front runner” fans as if LA is the only city in America where poorly playing teams draw low attendances. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I’ll say this for Dodger fans: that franchise has draw at least two million fans every year since 1972. If you look at the two New York teams, the Yankees can only claim that back to 1996 and the Mets since 1998. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942/72 "2017-01-21T15:48:20Z")
That’s tickets sold, not butts in seats for nine innings. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942/73 "2017-01-21T16:56:29Z")
> [@Lorne\_Armstrong](#): > > Question: Why do Dodger fans always seem to arrive late and leave early? Traffic ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_s\_Son](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19adc/32.png) [@Jim\_s\_Son](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_s_Son)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942/74 "2017-01-21T19:03:28Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > That’s tickets sold, not butts in seats for nine innings. Actually for quite a few years the National League figures were for fans at the ballpark while the American League used tickets sold. It got standardized to the American League way sometime in the Selig regime, which pretty much eliminated league offices. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942/75 "2017-01-21T19:07:56Z")
Regardless, the Dodgers are always attendance leaders but I think that the weather has a lot to do with it. You’re almost never going to have rain outs or extreme hot or cold. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942/76 "2017-01-22T02:35:35Z")
> [@Lorne\_Armstrong](#): > > Question: Why do Dodger fans always seem to arrive late and leave early? There are basically two egresses from the stadium, which is located in a small and elevated valley nestled between hills. One leads through surface streets, and the other to one of the oldest (and possibly smallest) highways in the country, the 110 freeway, right near the heart of downtown. You can have your butt in your car for two hours, or you can leave a few minutes early. You decide. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942/77 "2017-01-22T20:25:12Z")
Chalk this up as a win for the SD taxpayers. Finally. The LA_me_ Chargers are now history and quickly forgotten. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942/78 "2017-01-22T21:12:11Z")
A little more evidence of just how much of a cluster-f\*\*\* the move has been: On [ESPN.com](http://ESPN.com), [Adam Schefter](http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18510320/nfl-2016-chris-mortensen-adam-schefter-championship-round-notebook-chip-kelly-bill-belichick-kirk-cousins-antonio-brown-more) reports that there’s quite a lot of “buyer’s remorse” in the NFL over the move (you’ll need to scroll down a bit to find the item): > [@](#): > > Since the move was announced, the NFL has been “besides itself,” in the words of one league source. “There are a ton of owners very upset that [the Chargers] moved,” one source said. The source added that the NFL wants the Chargers to move back, though nobody believes that possibility is realistic. > > But some NFL owners and some league officials are still hoping, now that the move has been made official, that Chargers chairman Dean Spanos will wake up one morning soon, recognize this situation has been “bungled so bad,” and take his team back to San Diego, where it spent the past 56 years. Again, the chances are at best remote that this happens. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chargers-moving-to-l-a/776942.md?page=3)