# Charges of sex assault w/ voluntarily intoxicated victims

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**Created:** [June 17, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charges-of-sex-assault-w-voluntarily-intoxicated-victims/966387 "2022-06-17T17:40:41Z")\
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**Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charges-of-sex-assault-w-voluntarily-intoxicated-victims/966387/41 "2022-06-19T06:23:05Z")

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> [@Dinsdale](#):
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> In the newspaper article I read (Chicago Trib - paywalled, I think) Gov. Pritzker is quoted as saying: “It doesn’t matter if you had a beer, or a shot, or five, that’s your choice. But the assault was not.”
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> The suggestion that someone would be presumed incapable of consent after a single beer is damned scary.

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One 12 oz beer, on an empty stomach puts my wife past tipsy to the tilting over stage. With food, it’s better, but she in no way capable of acting normally (thankfully she’s a happy drunk but…) , so please don’t assume everyone reacts to drugs by the rule of averages.

> [@Dinsdale](#):
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> What if a woman gets drunk, and at a party with a lot of other drunk folk, asks an equally drunk guy to fuck her. The next day she regrets her actions. Did a sexual assault occur? (Likely a question of fact for the court/jury.).

The discussion so far seems to be discussing comparative responsibility. If both parties are just shy of falling-down-drunk, both are showing impaired judgement, and there’s the possibility both are culpable. @Stranger_On_A_Train has been focused on individuals who are NOT drunk (or barely so) taking advantage of a drunk party, knowing said party is impaired. In most cases I’ve seen of this sort of action during my college years lo those many years ago, it was almost _always_ the guys who were less drunk, both by virtue of body mass giving an advantage (in general, individuals are different) and intent. Sadly MANY were actively trying to get their targets more drunk so they’d be an easier pick up.

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