# Charity stops at Christians **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 9, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576 "2010-12-09T20:20:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Barty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/49beb7/32.png) [@Barty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barty)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2010, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/101 "2010-12-10T18:25:52Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I’m not aware of any Burmese children trying to crash planes, shoot at our soldiers or bomb nightclubs. 😕 I think that you may have forgotten about [Johnny and Luther](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_and_Luther_Htoo). While not quite as bad as “trying to crash planes, shoot at our soldiers or bomb nightclubs”, [taking over a hospital](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/pmextra/jan00/24/hostage.htm) and holding hostages ranks up there. Just to keep it interesting for **Leon497** , they were a Christian group. And **Siam Sam** , you better watch your post count, I am slowly catching up! ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2010, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/102 "2010-12-10T22:27:10Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > Hey, if you have FFVIII or any related items, I might be willing to buy it. I’ve worn out two copies of the PS game, and I’d love a copy of the PC game (I’ve never had a Pocket Station, so I never got the items in that chocobo game). Meet me in the Marketplace? Sorry, all I have is the original PS game. And for that matter, if you have a PS3, you’d be better off buying it online for $10 as a download. ---
**Author:** ![Cazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cazzle/32/75_2.png) [@Cazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cazzle)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2010, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/103 "2010-12-10T23:17:11Z")
I missed the original thread, so I’m glad this one was started. I donated $10 - how often do you get the chance to feed Burmese orphans AND fund acts of terrorism against the USA for the price of lunch? Thanks for the heads up, **SiamSam** - and **Leon** too! ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/104 "2010-12-11T02:00:17Z")
> [@Barty](#): > > I think that you may have forgotten about [Johnny and Luther](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_and_Luther_Htoo). While not quite as bad as “trying to crash planes, shoot at our soldiers or bomb nightclubs”, [taking over a hospital](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/pmextra/jan00/24/hostage.htm) and holding hostages ranks up there. > > Just to keep it interesting for **Leon497** , they were a Christian group. > > And **Siam Sam** , you better watch your post count, I am slowly catching up! Eat my dirt! 😛 (But I’m impressed that this thread has prompted you to up your total post count by 16.7%!) Ah, yes, [Johnny and Luther Htoo](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_and_Luther_Htoo). I wonder what they’re doing these days? A pair of ethnic-Karen twins who were taken for holy, er, infants by their ethnic compatriots. Born about 1988, they were about 12 at the time they directed the hospital siege here in Thailand, across their border on our upper peninsula. They seem to have been miffed at Thai shelling of Karen positions. Man, did Thailand ever get the raiders back. Once all of them were captured (Johnny and Luther were not present, but rather had only sent them over) and the hospital was secured, the army took them off into a room and just shot them all, to the widespread and vocal approval of all of Thailand. A bit cold-blooded, but I’ll tell ya, there’s not been a single raid in the almost 11 years since. Not a one. (The Wikipedia link says they were shot “allegedly” after they surrendered, but there’s no “allegedly” about it. News photos at the time clearly showed them in custody, then showed them all dead. And the former hospital staff hostages who were present all confirmed the raiders had been taken off and shot, along with sentiments of good fucking riddance to them.) > [@Cazzle](#): > > I missed the original thread, so I’m glad this one was started. I donated $10 - how often do you get the chance to feed Burmese orphans AND fund acts of terrorism against the USA for the price of lunch? Thanks for the heads up, **SiamSam** - and **Leon** too! Thanks for the help. **Leon** is a great little fundraiser. 😃 I’m sure **Leon** means well. He seems to have a rather limited world view. Reminds me of the people I escaped from back in West Texas, good-hearted (probably) but not caring one whit to have their ignorance fought, preferring to wallow in it instead, wearing it on their sleeves like some perverse badge of honor. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/105 "2010-12-11T06:37:53Z")
> [@Leon497](#): > > Now if anyone can find me a majority Christian country or one with a Christian church in its government officially and that supports terrorism against the USA, let’s hear who that is? Maybe I did miss something. Cuba? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/106 "2010-12-11T08:10:29Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Can we give him a pair of cymbals and make him dance and jump? Oh pleeeease, I promise to feed him and walk him and everything! This is a very silly suggestion. You should be ashamed. Mr Topsy is not some everyday, household idiot, fit only to play and entertain children. He is a prize imbecile. Making him dance and bang cymbals would be undignified for such a splendid example of the breed. Look at that vacant stare, that slackened jaw, that self-righteous stance. Is he not magnificent? Surely this is as fine, as noble an example of an imbecile as you’ve ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/107 "2010-12-11T08:13:00Z")
**Gyrate** , **Leon497** , you are right: I forgot about the Church of England. I didn’t consider the Vatican because, honestly, it is about an acre in area with a population of less than 1000 and, anyway, the Vatican is definitely not going to be condoning the kind of actions we are talking about. I may try to justify myself by saying that I wrote “practically” everywhere when it came to the separation of church and state. Nonetheless, the UK is a big country and I really should have kept it in mind. Nonetheless, the point was to give an example of a Majority Christian country which supported terrorism against the U.S.A. My example was Venezuela, which I think fulfills the conditions asked about by Leon497. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/108 "2010-12-11T08:32:12Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > What a bullshit charity request. Everyone knows the first thing they do in Burma is print up a hundred signs for a saying that could be written on one. Wasteful bastards. There were only six, not a hundred, and they took them all down in 1963. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/109 "2010-12-11T08:48:05Z")
> [@Leon497](#): > > Come up with as many Christians doing terror to us as non-Christians … Google “Serbia Bosnia Kosovo” if you know how. > [@](#): > > … and I will be glad to modify my position. Doubtful. Your ilk already knows the eternal answers. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/110 "2010-12-11T08:52:54Z")
> [@Barty](#): > > And **Siam Sam** , you better watch your post count, I am slowly catching up! Seven posts in nine years? Are you one of those guys we read about who’s being held prisoner in a Bangkok Massage Parlour? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/111 "2010-12-11T10:09:10Z")
> [@Leon497](#): > > I thought that obvious but you all can’t fathom that so I will be sure to write at a lower grade level in the future for this audience, agreed. I’m not sure it would be possible for your posts to be any more ignorant and illiterate, although you’re welcome to give it a shot if you want. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/112 "2010-12-11T12:49:19Z")
Thanks for bringing this to my attention **Leon** , as an anti-USA atheist with terrorist tendencies I had been searching for a worthy cause. I hope my modest donation does some good. ---
**Author:** ![kidneyfailure](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9f8e36/32.png) [@kidneyfailure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidneyfailure)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/113 "2010-12-11T13:58:50Z")
Not to interrupt the righteous pitting of a genuine dumbass, but I have a comment: > [@not\_alice](#): > > Not one cent of aid goes to the junta. Every red penny of it goes to the opposition tribes, the folks who are completely devoid of power. Now, I’m not accusing anyone or any group of anything (and I don’t know as much about Burma as I might know about, say, China or Japan), but I’ve heard that some of those opposition tribes aren’t all that great themselves. I don’t have any cites at hand, but I seem to remember reading something about the Karen National Liberation Army using some pretty brutal methods against groups and individuals who wont join their war against the junta. I’m not gonna support the Northern Alliance just because they also hate the Taliban. Same thing in Burma: I have no love for the junta, but I’m not gonna support a group who, for example, discriminates against non-Buddhist minorities and extorts war money from poor farmers\* just because “my enemy’s enemy is my friend.” \*(both things I’ve heard the KNLA does, though I can’t remember where I heard that) ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/114 "2010-12-11T14:26:57Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Seven posts in nine years? Are you one of those guys we read about who’s being held prisoner in a Bangkok Massage Parlour? Ah, no, actually that might be me. 😃 > [@kidneyfailure](#): > > Now, I’m not accusing anyone or any group of anything (and I don’t know as much about Burma as I might know about, say, China or Japan), but I’ve heard that some of those opposition tribes aren’t all that great themselves. I don’t have any cites at hand, but I seem to remember reading something about the Karen National Liberation Army using some pretty brutal methods against groups and individuals who wont join their war against the junta. I’m not gonna support the Northern Alliance just because they also hate the Taliban. Same thing in Burma: I have no love for the junta, but I’m not gonna support a group who, for example, discriminates against non-Buddhist minorities and extorts war money from poor farmers\* just because “my enemy’s enemy is my friend.” > > \*(both things I’ve heard the KNLA does, though I can’t remember where I heard that) It’s quite a complicated situation in that country. But while I know **not\_alice** was speaking about a different outfit, and she can answer for them herself, I just want to say again that the group I’m pushing is a clinic in Thailand that works with poor Burmese on the Thai side of the border. Medical assistance, children and young adults aged 20 or below. So that concern is not a consideration in this case. ---
**Author:** ![kidneyfailure](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9f8e36/32.png) [@kidneyfailure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidneyfailure)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/115 "2010-12-11T14:48:01Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > It’s quite a complicated situation in that country. But while I know **not\_alice** was speaking about a different outfit, and she can answer for them herself, I just want to say again that the group I’m pushing is a clinic in Thailand that works with poor Burmese on the Thai side of the border. Medical assistance, children and young adults aged 20 or below. So that concern is not a consideration in this case. Of course, **Sam**. I’m sure you’re nothing but a decent fellow trying to do the right thing. No worries. ---
**Author:** ![carnut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnut/32/3531_2.png) [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/116 "2010-12-11T17:03:16Z")
> [@Leon497](#): > > Jim, Well that one is so easy, see none of the Christian countries have been a problem regarding terror from their local native home born population, while all of the problem comes from the others, therefore aiding Christians is a lot safer bet to not end up aiding terror. It is just that simple. Come up with as many Christians doing terror to us as non-Christians and I will be glad to modify my position. There may be an occasional nut case, like Oklahoma had, but in the other places you have whole church groups and leaders planning terror and making announcements they want to do the terror. I want to help the other kind of folks. How about the drug cartel-related murders that are happening left and right in Mexico currently? Good Christians all of them, I’m sure. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/117 "2010-12-11T17:51:05Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > So… Tim McVeigh doesn’t weigh on your mind? This keeps getting repeated in this thread, so I figured I would comment. McVeigh did **not** do his thing out of religious motives, and as this [Wiki link](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh#Political_views_and_religious_beliefs) shows, he didn’t have much of any religion at all. Oklahoma City may have been a nasty piece of work, but it does _ **not** _ serve as an example of “Christian terrorism”. ETA: I agree **Leon** is a douche. And I know a lot of other Christian douches. ETA, again: I see Douche addressed that in his reply. He’s still a douche. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/118 "2010-12-11T18:04:03Z")
> [@Leon497](#): > > Of course everyone is lying now in a get the Christian riot. Mr. Freud, your slip is showing. ---
**Author:** ![Washoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecae2f/32.png) [@Washoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Washoe)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2010, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/119 "2010-12-12T10:27:02Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > I thought that this thread was going to be about [the Salvation Army](http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/2010/12/08/16477556.html) for throwing out donated Harry Potter and Twilight toys. > [@](#): > > “I was told to withhold a six-inch Harry Potter figure but when I picked up a plastic M-16, I was told ‘that’s for the 10-year-olds,’” he said. Christians is the silliest creatures… ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2010, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576/120 "2010-12-12T11:51:44Z")
> [@Leon497](#): > > You know exactly what I mean and come up will a lot of bull to cover the fact your bigotry is against anything Christian. Has nothing to do with it. I’m a Christian, and I’m pretty embarrased by what you have to say here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charity-stops-at-christians/563576.md?page=7)