# Charles Manson in non-USA societies? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [June 6, 2015, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charles-manson-in-non-usa-societies/721772 "2015-06-06T07:55:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charles-manson-in-non-usa-societies/721772/41 "2015-06-09T21:03:54Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Because we are talking about garden variety murderers. “Garden variety” murderers are ones who kill in the heat of a romantic disputed or on the commission of a felony. It seems to me we are talking about something that is definitely not garden variety. > [@](#): > > Political figures kill because they demonize their victims and feel that society needs to eliminate them from the mix to achieve their warped sense of fairness. All the time? > [@](#): > > They would not kill for pleasure. What makes you so sure that there’s no overlap? ---
**Author:** ![No\_umlaut\_for\_U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ea5d25/32.png) [@No\_umlaut\_for\_U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/No_umlaut_for_U)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charles-manson-in-non-usa-societies/721772/42 "2015-06-09T21:42:57Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Snipped… > > I also think this is one of those things where each of us remembers the big event that happened in our teens or early adult years as especially extraordinary. It wasn’t really; it just seems so from your POV. It’s interesting that you say that, as I was in my early teens when this happened. My friends and I were a lot more worried about the Zodiac killer and to a lesser extent, the Hillside Strangler, than Manson. But I wouldn’t call any of the three extraordinary in our minds, just crap happening in the real world. Later on, the Gacy murders and Jonestown were huge deals, but not the three above. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charles-manson-in-non-usa-societies/721772/43 "2015-06-09T23:24:29Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Is this your way of saying you are better than most others? 😉 He certainly thought _he_ was. Although he didn’t use that phrase. He talked about coyotes being more alive than other animals because they were more alert. I’ve just occasionally hung out with people who have used the phrase. Usually while in costume. ---
**Author:** ![md2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/73ab20/32.png) [@md2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md2000)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charles-manson-in-non-usa-societies/721772/44 "2015-06-10T03:04:56Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > I think the fact that ‘his girls’ did things years later to bring him back into the news has helped him to stick in the mind of the public. Charlie also had a really good instinct for how to freak the mundanes and was delighted at how the press ate his antics up. Also, by the time she took a pot-shot at Gerald Ford, he’d had several other “close calls” which involved the secret service jumping on him to protect him; so it just added to the humour value - Gerald Ford stumbles on the airplane stairs and the secret service wrestle the stairs to the ground, Gerald Ford bumps his head on the side of the white house pool and the secret service wrestle the pool into submission… Lynette Fromme and Manson were just another punch line, especially when another woman took a pot-shot at Ford a few days later. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charles-manson-in-non-usa-societies/721772.md?page=2)