# Charleston, SC church shooting **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 18, 2015, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823 "2015-06-18T04:15:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/341 "2015-06-23T20:59:50Z")
[Here](http://www.scstatehouse.gov/studentpage/explore/map_monuments.shtml) is an official little tour gizmo of the State House monuments. The flag is, notably, not mentioned. A _lot_ of the monuments commemorate noted assholes. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/342 "2015-06-23T21:21:54Z")
I read that the sale of Confederate flag items on Amazon has gone up 2000% I also read that a Republican legislator in Mississippi has started the discussion about removing the Confederate flag from the Mississippi state flag. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/343 "2015-06-23T21:35:03Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > No, that must be the Charleston one that got vandalized? [This](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fjstephenconn%2F2649718736&ei=WcWJVZTsGcixggSI3oGoAg&bvm=bv.96339352,d.eXY&psig=AFQjCNGda0mtzjMh3CO7IvvqkM1Sfe3T7A&ust=1435178708373926) is the memorial. Note the flag behind it. Thanks, Zsofia. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/344 "2015-06-23T21:47:42Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > [Here](http://www.scstatehouse.gov/studentpage/explore/map_monuments.shtml) is an official little tour gizmo of the State House monuments. The flag is, notably, not mentioned. A _lot_ of the monuments commemorate noted assholes. I nearly got arrested for climbing on the Strom Thurmond statue (#16) and doing inappropriate things during Spring Break one year. Dude in a black suit came out of the Gressette Building and started waving a badge and a gun at us. > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I read that the sale of Confederate flag items on Amazon has gone up 2000% That’s because they are [pulling all of it](http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/23/8834097/amazon-confederate-flag-charleston-south-carolina) shortly. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/345 "2015-06-24T09:45:03Z")
Somebody will start a business selling Confederate battle flag stuff, just to cash in on other retailers abandoning it. I just read an article stating that Charleston has promulgated a law, to last for sixty days, disallowing any kind of protests outside of funerals. That’s because the Westboro Baptist Church says it would come to picket. They have beeb quiet lately, even here at home. Probably just waiting for the next big news story to get ther name out there again. I wouldn’t put it past them to furnish a martyr to the “cause” ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/346 "2015-06-24T11:41:58Z")
**Baker** , There are already small online businesses that sell that stuff but yeah I bet their sales go way up , at least temporarily. It seems an awful lot like the Westboro Baptist Church has threatened to picket a lot more high-profile funerals but not shown up when the day actually came, unless some kind of under-the-table arrangements were made that I didn’t hear about. I guess between their patriarch Fred Phelps dying and several of their prominent younger members leaving, they’ve had a lot of the wind taken out of their sails. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/347 "2015-06-24T14:52:27Z")
> [@SpoilerVirgin](#): > > [EBay](http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/23/politics/confederate-flag-ebay/) has now decided to ban the sale of Confederate flag items, Well, drat. That blows. But at least I can still buy Nazi memorabilia on Ebay. > [@](#): > > This decision is consistent with our long-standing policy that prohibits items that promote or glorify hatred, violence and racial intolerance. Hopefully they won’t wise up about the Nazi memorabilia they allow to be sold on their site. Then where will I get my Nazi memorabilia. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/348 "2015-06-24T14:57:11Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > Somebody will start a business selling Confederate battle flag stuff, just to cash in on other retailers abandoning it. No doubt. But I’m glad they are dropping that stuff nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/349 "2015-06-24T14:58:31Z")
So are Amazon and eBay going to quit selling CDs by Lynyrd Skynyrd, Alabama, etc.? _Dukes of Hazzard_ DVDs and toys? Et cetera? What’s the standard? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/350 "2015-06-24T15:02:11Z")
Leaving aside the issue of whether flag merchandise is equivalent to things which happen to include depictions of flags, who says they have to have a standard? They’re private enterprises and they can take their ball and go home whenever they like. For what it’s worth, I’m pretty sure they’re not selling any Skrewdriver CDs. ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/351 "2015-06-24T15:34:27Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > So are Amazon and eBay going to quit selling CDs by Lynyrd Skynyrd, Alabama, etc.? _Dukes of Hazzard_ DVDs and toys? Et cetera? What’s the standard? Warner Brothers has pulled the licensing of General Lee cars. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/352 "2015-06-24T16:06:44Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Leaving aside the issue of whether flag merchandise is equivalent to things which happen to include depictions of flags, who says they have to have a standard? I’m asking what _their_ standard will be–how will they decide what to pull? > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > For what it’s worth, I’m pretty sure they’re not selling any Skrewdriver CDs. Amazon? [They certainly are.](http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/?ie=UTF8&k=Skrewdriver&i=music) ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/353 "2015-06-24T16:36:18Z")
Lynyrd Skynyrd made the decision to [stop using that flag](http://www.salon.com/2012/09/21/lynyrd_skynyrd_decides_its_finally_time_to_stop_using_the_confederate_flag/) 3 years ago, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/354 "2015-06-24T16:55:14Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Amazon? [They certainly are.](http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/?ie=UTF8&k=Skrewdriver&i=music) I stand properly corrected (and slightly disgusted.) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/355 "2015-06-26T13:47:57Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I nearly got arrested for climbing on the Strom Thurmond statue (#16) and doing inappropriate things during Spring Break one year. Dude in a black suit came out of the Gressette Building and started waving a badge and a gun at us. They pulled a gun at college kids doing the stupid things college kids do?!? :eek: Truly, the US is a different country. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2015, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/356 "2015-06-26T13:56:10Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Truly, the US is a different country. Indeed, it is. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2015, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/357 "2015-06-26T14:07:49Z")
On the other hand, during a high school field trip to FDR’s house in Hyde Park, New York, a couple of classmates stood on top of FDR’s tomb and had a picture taken of themselves mooning the camera. Which just goes to show that Northerners are a little less uptight than Southerners. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2015, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/358 "2015-06-26T21:20:31Z")
Apple has announced it will no longer sell games with Civil War themes on the Apple store. That’s going way out of bounds. And I say this as a liberal who applauds the removal of the Confederate flag from the Columbia Capitol grounds. And people are now saying we should ban _Gone With the Wind_. Geez, overreact much? _Birth of a Nation_ hasn’t even been banned! And congrats to the Governor of Alabama for unilaterally removing the Confederate flag from state Capitol grounds. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2015, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/359 "2015-06-26T21:28:46Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > And people are now saying we should ban _Gone With the Wind_. Geez, overreact much? _Birth of a Nation_ hasn’t even been banned! We don’t ban films or burn books in the United States. I’ve been wondering about Huckleberry Finn. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2015, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823/360 "2015-06-26T21:32:46Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Truly, the US is a different country. We’re working on it, as hard as we can. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charleston-sc-church-shooting/722823.md?page=19)