# Charlie Kirk is Dead **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 11, 2025, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935 "2025-09-11T07:35:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2025, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/241 "2025-09-14T18:01:34Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > According to Utah Governor he had been “radicalized’ online and was now holding leftist ideology. > [@New York Times](#): > > Mr. Cox did not go into specifics about Mr. Robinson’s ideological views or offer a clear picture of them. So how reliable is this governor as a source of information? On the one hand, I would expect him to be kept abreast of the findings of the investigation. On the other hand, I suspect that law enforcement (at all levels) and prominent Republicans might be analyzing the evidence in a biased way because they so badly want this not to be a right-wing assassin. The parallels to the shooter in Butler, PA are intriguing. As I recall, we sort of dropped the investigation into that one’s motives. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2025, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/242 "2025-09-14T18:20:11Z")
That is still what the Governor claims, not confirmation from other independent sources. > **Mr. Cox did not go into specifics about Mr. Robinson’s ideological views or offer a clear picture of them.** Mr. Cox said Mr. Robinson had spent much of his time immersed in online gaming, message boards and parts of what the governor called the “deep, dark internet.” So far in other news, I did see that relatives and others could not confirm the relationship. It has to be noted that while transsexuals are showing a bit in gaming communities, that there is a lot of anti-gay and anti trans activity among those gaming groups ([there are some that notice that many of those efforts are right wing astroturf](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingunjerk/comments/1m0qj0i/the_antiwoke_gaming_crowd_isnt_a_movement_its_a/)). The paradoxical thing is that while LGBTQ people can be accepted, there are not many games or characters that allow or use LGBTQ characters. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2025, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/243 "2025-09-14T19:58:14Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That is still what the Governor claims, not confirmation from other independent sources. To me this just sounds like the governor irresponsibly spreading rumors, specifically to spur persecution of minorities. He’s a Republican leader of a red state so I’m not surprised. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2025, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/244 "2025-09-14T20:21:18Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Also: latest on Twitter is that Nick Fuentes is acting all sympathetic and trying to horn in on Charlie Kirk’s audience. Which is pretty horrifying. Fuentes doesn’t want this pinned on his followers. That’s what that is about. Though, there’s also the dimension that these right-wing factions are always jealous of each other’s reach and influence. They may persuade themselves that it’s about ideological differences, but it’s mainly about protecting their slice of the right-wing dumb-o-sphere. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2025, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/245 "2025-09-14T20:33:04Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The link claims that his username on several sites is known? Where are all the chat logs? We should know everything about this guy by now… These communities are secretive, exclusionary, and obstreperous from top to bottom, and also largely anonymous. Their ability to resist categorization, definition, and investigation is one of their core values. It’s all but assured that that the moment it was reported that Groyper memes were on the casings, they did a deep sanitization of all their digital assets. Robinson himself probably did a deep-cleaning of his own accounts before the shooting. There will probably be breadcrumbs found here and there, it’s hard to eliminate every trace in this day and age. But whatever they find will probably be too meme-obfuscated to be of use to anyone. Don’t count on anyone ever surfacing any information that will illuminate his inner thoughts. These guys try very hard not to be known, even to each other, even to themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2025, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/246 "2025-09-14T22:18:30Z")
I’m much farther left than I ever was, though I’ve never been conservative in any sense. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2025, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/247 "2025-09-17T02:45:14Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That is still what the Governor claims, not confirmation from other independent sources. It has now been confirmed to be true by multiple sources. I find this situation so sad. In particular the current situation for Robinson’s partner. The texts make it clear they had nothing to do with the killing of Kirk but being outed as LGBTQ in Utah can make life very difficult and dangerous. Especially in circumstances such as this. I fear the MAGA asshats will make their life a living hell and possibly cause them harm. Which our idiot POTUS and minions will likely cheer. ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2025, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/248 "2025-09-17T03:05:03Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > It has now been confirmed to be true by multiple sources. What has been confirmed to be true? I suspect the reason no one will identify the specific ideologies Robinson espoused is because (1) 22-year-olds tend to have incoherent politics and (2) assassins tend to have frustratingly incoherent politics and (3) most people would hear whatever ideology and think ‘well, that’s not left or right’ because accelerationists tend not to view the established ideologies of the left and the right as acceptable, and mostly just want to watch the world burn ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2025, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/249 "2025-09-17T03:09:22Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > It has now been confirmed to be true by multiple sources. And I acknowledged that already in the other thread. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2025, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/250 "2025-09-17T03:09:58Z")
The main bit of information the Governor mentioned that has been in dispute has been about Robinson’s relationship with his roommate. Today that was confirmed in court filings and in text messages that were released. As I already stated, I am deeply worried about their safety. ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2025, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/251 "2025-09-17T03:11:07Z")
That’s understandable; I thought maybe you were saying that someone claimed the Governor’s opinion of Robinson’s ideology as “leftist” was confirmed ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2025, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/252 "2025-09-17T03:12:13Z")
Ah, I see that now, one forgets that gay republicans are a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2025, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/253 "2025-09-17T03:13:33Z")
Well, to the MAGAts, being okay with LGBTQ folks and being opposed to hatred and bigotry is definitely leftist. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2025, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/254 "2025-09-17T03:14:26Z")
I’m not sure which thread that would be. I must have missed it. ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2025, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/255 "2025-09-17T03:14:55Z")
They don’t sound like reliable interpreters of politics; I wouldn’t trust their opinion on it ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2025, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/256 "2025-09-17T06:25:01Z")
I didn’t agree with Kirk’s political views. But he had the right idea to reach out to younger people and engage in debates. Encourage the nation’s college students to get involved in politics and vote. I know someone else that also engaged with younger people and encouraged them to participate in our government and vote. That was Bobbie Kennedy; He was assassinated too. I still remember the anger and sick feeling in the pit of my stomach on June 6, 1968. I had already felt it earlier on April 4, 1968 after the news of Martin Luther King’s murder. That sick feeling came again on September 10, 2025. I strongly disagreed with Charlie Kirk’s political views. But I never wished him any harm. Kirk and RFK held diametrically different views and politics. Both men recognized the future of the US is in our young voters. Will humanity ever learn that murdering people they disagree with is never the answer? ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2025, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/257 "2025-09-17T06:30:51Z")
I certainly have not looked deep into the cess pool he represented but what I’ve seen smacks of the worst kind of hate speech against certain minorities …_.out of the tribe with prejudice_ would be my preference for his ilk. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2025, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/258 "2025-09-17T08:55:44Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Well, to the MAGAts, being okay with LGBTQ folks and being opposed to hatred and bigotry is definitely leftist. And yet: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/FJmcqjP8mhk/maxresdefault.jpg "Charlie Kirk takes down anti-gay extremist. ") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJmcqjP8mhk) I didn’t know much about Charlie Kirk before he died, and in learning more, I have seen him express some pretty objectionable views. Nevertheless, my impression from hearing people talk _about_ him was very wrong. It’s a salutary reminder not to judge people based on hearsay. > [@aceplace57](#): > > I didn’t agree with Kirk’s political views. But he had the right idea to reach out to younger people and engage in debates. Encourage the nation’s college students to get involved in politics and vote. Yes, this. More people should be doing this. Get out and talk to others. Listen to opposing viewpoints. Bring more people into your party and show them politics is not something disconnected from their lives. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2025, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/259 "2025-09-17T23:05:05Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I didn’t know much about Charlie Kirk before he died, and in learning more, I have seen him express some pretty objectionable views. Nevertheless, my impression from hearing people talk _about_ him was very wrong. > > It’s a salutary reminder not to judge people based on hearsay. Now a reminder that many times people like Charlie Kirk were very opportunistic and changed their tune later or in other settings: > **[Charlie Kirk DID say stoning gay people was the 'perfect law' — and these...](https://www.advocate.com/politics/charlie-kirk-anti-lgbtq-quotes#rebelltitem2)** > > These are some of his worst comments about LGBTQ+ people made by Charlie Kirk. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2025, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/260 "2025-09-17T23:14:27Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Yes, this. More people should be doing this. Get out and talk to others. Listen to opposing viewpoints. Bring more people into your party and show them politics is not something disconnected from their lives. Unless they are minorities or women. > **[What Charlie Kirk got wrong about Black women](https://www.ndsmcobserver.com/article/2025/09/what-charlie-kirk-got-wrong-about-black-women)** > > “His racist remarks are inevitably a part of his legacy, and should be consequently painted into the picture of his character.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935.md?page=14)