# Charlie Kirk is Dead **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 11, 2025, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935 "2025-09-11T07:35:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/81 "2025-09-12T12:54:53Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > > [@puzzlegal](#): > > > > The project doesn’t lend bail money to those who are probably violent ax murderers and rapists. If it did, i wouldn’t support it. > > I was curious about this yesterday, so I did some googling. Some bail projects do indeed bail out violent offenders: Presumably, Puzzlegal was saying that the project _she donated to_ does not do that because she knows that other projects do and so chose one that would not do it on purpose. > [@DemonTree](#): > > Shame she never got a chance to debate him. That might have been interesting. She said something like that and a bunch of the usual suspects took to Twitter, claiming she’s an evil ghoul who reacted to Kirk’s shooting by crying about her career. Maybe it’s all PR, but it sounds to me like she really did respect what he built in terms of effectiveness and wanted to bring that same energy to the Left, which I think is very admirable. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/82 "2025-09-12T13:02:42Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > > [@DemonTree](#): > > > > > [@puzzlegal](#): > > > > > > The project doesn’t lend bail money to those who are probably violent ax murderers and rapists. If it did, i wouldn’t support it. > > > > I was curious about this yesterday, so I did some googling. Some bail projects do indeed bail out violent offenders: > > Presumably, Puzzlegal was saying that the project _she donated to_ does not do that because she knows that other projects do and so chose one that would not do it on purpose. What i intended to say was that i think it’s fair to suspect the motives of someone who directly or indirectly helps to bail people out of jail. Because they probably sympathize with the people they are bailing out. The most usual people to help with bail are family and friends, of course. But when third parties do so, it’s entirely okay to assume they, too, have some sympathy with the accused. So i think Charlie Kirk was, in fact, supporting assassination of people on the “other side” when he supported bailing out a likely assassin. (Or he objects to murder laws in general, which seems unlikely.) Just as i support immigrants being caught up in shifting laws that retroactively criminalize their actions. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/83 "2025-09-12T13:03:38Z")
Bernie Sanders had a good statement on the murder: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/HlIvH6ozvv4/maxresdefault.jpg "In Wake of Charlie Kirk Murder, Sen. Bernie Sanders Addresses Rising Political Violence in America") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlIvH6ozvv4) ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/84 "2025-09-12T13:06:41Z")
She’s not an evil ghoul, but that video smacks of sane washing Kirk, his actions, and his political influence/impact under the guise of “he was really good and successful”. I, frankly, don’t respect him more for being a success. His success was at turning the USA into a bunch of fascist nutters; not something I respect. I think she’s praising him because he was killed, she was trying to duplicate his success, and Kirk’s formula for success included giving her a platform to succeed. This is all… too “insider support group”. I don’t want these political influences to be sane washing the extremist actions of their successful peers. If she just stuck to decrying violence and murder, I wouldn’t have had this reaction. She was praising Kirk. Nah. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/85 "2025-09-12T13:08:26Z")
Just saw a news outlet report that the person suspected of committing the assassination is Tyler Robinson, 22, of Washington, Utah. Not sure if this is official, though. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/86 "2025-09-12T13:32:06Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Just saw a news outlet report that the person suspected of committing the assassination is Tyler Robinson, 22, of Washington, Utah. Coming out more and more places now, yeah. And I’ve seen some pictures from his socials that match his look, the shoes he was wearing, and his bagpack. Do you think his dad gets the $100,000? ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/87 "2025-09-12T13:39:54Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > What i intended to say was that i think it’s fair to suspect the motives of someone who directly or indirectly helps to bail people out of jail. Because they probably sympathize with the people they are bailing out. Thanks for clarifying; I didn’t realise that’s what you meant. After reading the CNN article, I don’t believe this is true of bail funds in general. They presumably sympathise with suspects held on bail in general, but they aren’t all limiting themselves to minor or non-violent criminals, or those likely to be innocent. According to the article, some bail funds have prison-abolitionist beliefs and explicitly don’t set limitations on who they bail out. As for Charlie Kirk, I don’t believe he sympathised with Pelosi’s attacker - look at how he described the guy - but as I already said, I do think his words show a lack of sympathy for Pelosi. And him disbelieving - even unreasonably - that it was an attempted political assassination does not indicate support for political assassinations. I fear for the future, though. The reaction I have seen from multiple Republicans on Twitter is “they really do want us all dead”. They don’t see Charlie Kirk as extreme; they see him as someone reasonable and committed to debate rather than force. If he deserved to die, so do all of them. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/88 "2025-09-12T13:43:38Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > After reading the CNN article, I don’t believe this is true of bail funds in general. They presumably sympathise with suspects held on bail in general, but they aren’t all limiting themselves to minor or non-violent criminals, or those likely to be innocent. According to the article, some bail funds have prison-abolitionist beliefs and explicitly don’t set limitations on who they bail out. What exactly are you saying isn’t “true of bail funds in general”? Is it the idea that the people who participate in them “probably sympathize with the people they are bailing out”? Because if so, I agree that the people bailing out accused murderers and rapists they don’t personally know likely have “prison-abolitionist beliefs”, but that’s _because_ they probably _sympathize with_ absolutely everyone who is in jail, including the accused murderers and rapists. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/89 "2025-09-12T14:06:26Z")
Live press conference now: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ux3tH4kn_BQ/maxresdefault.jpg "Live: FBI press conference on Charlie Kirk shooter, Kash Patel updates on manhunt for shooter") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux3tH4kn_BQ) ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/90 "2025-09-12T14:08:41Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Because if so, I agree that the people bailing out accused murderers and rapists they don’t personally know likely have “prison-abolitionist beliefs”, but that’s _because_ they probably _sympathize with_ absolutely everyone who is in jail, including the accused murderers and rapists Yup. Or they believe that a large enough fraction of people being held on bail are actually innocent that it’s good to make bail funds generally available. One or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/91 "2025-09-12T14:14:41Z")
“If you think that’s OK … you should leave this country and go to a Communist country or other country that thinks that’s OK.” Communist? What? She looks too young to even remember Communism. That was just a weird turn of phrase. I’m old enough to remember right-wing anti-Communism in America in the 1960s, and that’s how the John Birch Society talked. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/92 "2025-09-12T14:14:42Z")
I posted this in the Pit thread, but, some interesting bits from the press conference: Rifle had a scope. Addressing the writing on the bullets: The writing on the cases was indeed not the image above, but all four slogans sound pretty meme-y. It’s the “how many layers of irony” problem again. The slogans were: “notices bulge, what’s this” which I assume is the Trans related one. “If you read this you are gay” which makes me wonder how many layers of irony deep this goes “Catch this fascist” seems self explanatory “Bella ciao” no idea. Kash Patel then said “this is what happens when you let good police officers do their job”. By “this” I assume he means “the suspect’s dad catches him and turns him in”? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/93 "2025-09-12T14:16:10Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Communist? What? She looks too young to even remember Communism. That was just a weird turn of phrase. Most of the people who have been attacking her for debating against Kirk and now celebrating his death are Hasan fan type Marxists. She’s not talking about communists from the 50s, just like she’s not talking about fascists from the 30s. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/94 "2025-09-12T14:20:19Z")
Is that press conference a victory lap for police forces that didn’t actually catch the guy? ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/95 "2025-09-12T14:20:20Z")
In or out of context, it’s still just a weird thing to say and it has scant relevance to “Communist countries.” That’s Bircher talk. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/96 "2025-09-12T14:20:41Z")
Kash mentioned the $10,000 reward again. I wonder if this means that Dad really will be getting paid. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/97 "2025-09-12T14:22:47Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > In or out of context, it’s still just a weird thing to say and it has scant relevance to “Communist countries.” That’s Bircher talk. I don’t think it’s weird at all. If the sort of fascists who celebrate political violence want to live in a society where that kind of thing is acceptable, they’re welcome to leave and go to any of the countries ruled by violent far right dictatorships. Likewise, if the sorts of leftists who celebrate political violence want to live in a society where that kind of thing is acceptable, they’re welcome to leave and go to any of the countries ruled by a far left dictatorship. 👋 Bye to both kinds of trash. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/98 "2025-09-12T14:25:06Z")
Except, you know, they’re not. You know countries don’t just allow everyone to come live somewhere, right? Pretty much every “well then get out, you can move to another country!” shit is based on the absolutely wrong idea that Americans are allowed to live in any country they want. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/99 "2025-09-12T14:29:42Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Except, you know, they’re not. You know countries don’t just allow everyone to come live somewhere, right? Pretty much every “well then get out, you can move to another country!” shit is based on the absolutely wrong idea that Americans are allowed to live in any country they want Your objection is based on the mistaken idea that I care whether they’re actually allowed to enter their far right/left utopia once they leave the US. I really couldn’t care less. Anyways, it worked out well for this guy: > **[Father who moved family to Russia to escape ‘woke’ America is sent to front line](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/father-moved-family-russia-escape-153940643.html)** > > Derek Huffman was ‘thrown to the wolves’ after limited Russian training Let’s see more of that. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/100 "2025-09-12T14:30:40Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > “Bella ciao” no idea. > **[Bella ciao](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bella_ciao)** > > "Bella ciao" (.mw-parser-output .IPA-label-small{font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .references .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .infobox .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .navbox .IPA-label-small{font-size:100%}Italian pronunciation: \[ˈbɛlla ˈtʃaːo\]) is an Italian song dedicated to the partisans of the Italian resistance, who fought against the occupying troops of Nazi Germany and the collaborationist Fascist forces during the liberation of Italy. > The exact origins are not known, but it is th... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935.md?page=6)