# Charlie Sheen fired **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 7, 2011, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845 "2011-03-07T21:51:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/61 "2011-03-08T21:20:43Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > I dunno. I’m uncomfortable with the sentiment that someone should be able to have another involuntarily confined easily. Well, it’s only if they can be considered a danger to themselves or others. Although, if all Sheen’s exes can be believed, he is a danger to others. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/62 "2011-03-08T21:37:16Z")
Clarification: danger to oneself or others is one (or should that be two?) criteria for a 72 hour hold. Another is inability to adequately perform activities of daily living. If he’s not eating, or sleeping, or bathing (all of which appear at least possible from those videos), those would also be grounds to hold him. Not necessarily for long, but long enough to do a mental health evaluation on him. Inability to perform ADL’s isn’t grounds to hold someone for \*treatment \*against their will, I don’t think, but it is grounds for a temporary hold for _evaluation_. If you evaluate them and inform them that they’re crazier than a shithouse rat and they decline treatment, then I do believe you need the “danger to self and/or others” clause for forced treatment. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/63 "2011-03-08T21:52:57Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Yes, but is there a crazy clause in his contract? You no fool-a me - there ain’t no Sanity Clause. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/64 "2011-03-08T21:55:52Z")
I understand Chaim Levine/Chuck Lorre has a ‘$300,000 per’ reward for each of Sheen’s horcruxes that can be found. Until they’re all destroyed Sheen can’t be let go from the show. The problem is he’s believed to have hidden at least one in Vietnam while shooting Platoon and another in any one of several thousand hookers. ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/65 "2011-03-08T21:56:37Z")
Getting Charlie Sheen committed probably won’t help him. He’s convinced that he’s sober, so he’s going to be entirely resistant to recovery treatment. The programs only work if you work them, and if you don’t think you need them and aren’t ready to take their lessons and the changes involved on board, then it’s a waste of time and effort. (See: Lindsay Lohan’s previous failed rehab efforts.) Barring drinking and driving (he seems to be staying home) or accidental overdose (and he claims to not be using, remains to be seen) Sheen could go on as he is for quite a long time without mortally harming himself. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/66 "2011-03-08T22:01:43Z")
I would like to clarify, if I can. I was responding to the “It’s clear from the video [interviews and/or webcast] that he’s bonkers! Why can’t we DO something?!?” type of statements. While it’s tragic to watch someone appear to melt down, I think it’s a potential “slippery slope” to have a policy to commit people to involuntary confinement because of something we fear they “might” do. The bar should be high. If he goes online and makes statements that he thinks he’s an alien warlock & rockstar from Zeta Reticuli, I don’t think that’s enough to forcibly commit him to psychiatric help. If I want to take a bath in green (not red or yellow, but green only) jello for an hour each night, I don’t think that’s grounds for forcible incarceration. I agree that those eccentricities usually don’t exist on their lonesome, and that there may be other (more serious) things going on. But having a big ego and being a dick about it is not a mental sickness in of itself, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/67 "2011-03-08T22:09:44Z")
He’s definitely got flight of ideas, and I’m hearing what I’d consider circumstantiality, derailment, clanging and hints of word salad, as well. Those are signs of thought disorders (mental illness) not drug abuse. I actually think he \*might \*be clean right now, and the drugs he was using to mask his thought disorder are no longer doing their job. ---
**Author:** ![HoboStew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f17d59/32.png) [@HoboStew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoboStew)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/68 "2011-03-08T22:11:46Z")
I forget who tweeted this but Q: How much coke did Charlie Sheen do? A: Enough to kill Two and a Half Men ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/69 "2011-03-08T22:16:52Z")
I’d like to know how his dog died recently (11 year old pug named Betty). He mentioned “Betty” in his webcast diatribe which I quoted in post 37. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/70 "2011-03-08T22:22:12Z")
> [@HoboStew](#): > > I forget who tweeted this but > > Q: How much coke did Charlie Sheen do? > A: Enough to kill Two and a Half Men By posting this, I declare you to be WINNING! ---
**Author:** ![Markxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@Markxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Markxxx)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/71 "2011-03-08T22:29:29Z")
Even with a clear thought disorder, the intake process to hold someone is going to consist of an interview with a psychatrist who will ask him, if he knows, who he is, is he aware of his surroundings, does he hear or see things and is he going to harm himself or someone else. This is why you see so many homeless people with clear thought problems walking around. It’s especially difficult in the case of someone famous like Sheen as they have lawyers to back them up and once you start a forced committment it better take. 'Cause let’s say they bring him in and he establishes he’s fine. Then he really goes downhill. It’s just that much harder to prove the second time around. My guess is he IS being closely watched. Then these watchers will wait for the first chance for him to collapse physically. This will allow them to quickly bring him in to a hospital setting when he’s out of it. Sheen is basically throwing a temper tantrum like a little kid. Well parents know how that is, the more you respond to it, the worse it can get. And I agree, while it seems unorchestrated, you can’t be sure of it. This is certainly not the first time this has happened. As I said, Rita Hayworth and her then husband, Dick Haymes locked themselves in a hotel room for a week refusing to open the door, because he was going to be served legal papers. The difference is this kind of tantrums are immediate, while back in Hayworth’s day the papers could only report it twice a day. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/72 "2011-03-08T22:36:54Z")
[QUOTE=Markxxx] My guess is he IS being closely watched. Then these watchers will wait for the first chance for him to collapse physically. This will allow them to quickly bring him in to a hospital setting when he’s out of it. [/quote] I dunno. Anna Nicole Smith had a bunch of leeches for an entourage, and, at best, it seems they did little to rock the boat [in other words: get her help she probably needed] so that they were able to live off her money and fame. > [@Markxxx](#): > > Sheen is basically throwing a temper tantrum like a little kid. Well parents know how that is, the more you respond to it, the worse it can get. Hah! I agree completely. He’s 45 going on 14. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Mondegreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/91b2a8/32.png) [@Lord\_Mondegreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Mondegreen)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/73 "2011-03-08T23:22:17Z")
I swear, if I ever quit (or get fired from) my current job, I am so using the expression “never have to look at whatshiscock again” about my boss. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/74 "2011-03-08T23:41:28Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Amidst all of this hilarity, I find myself being kinda sad for his five children, surrounded by piles of cocaine, porn stars, media attentio… Dear Mr. Sheen, Please adopt me. Love, RickJay ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2011, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/75 "2011-03-09T01:25:07Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Amidst all of this hilarity, I find myself being kinda sad for his five children, surrounded by piles of cocaine, porn stars, media attention, violence and bizarre behavior by both (all?) of their parental role models. I wouldn’t mind . . . Having a father you can respect is, of course, one of life’s greatest blessings; but growing up rich and surrounded by cocaine and porn stars is a greater blessing still. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/76 "2011-03-09T01:28:16Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Good news. Maybe they could try putting on a show that’s actually good instead of that tired old sitcom shit. Problem is, high-quality drama shows like L&O are really expensive to make, almost like making a feature film; that’s why there are not more of them. To do a sitcom you just need two or three sets, and a studio audience, and some crusts and water for the writers; the only big expense comes when you have a big-name star like Sheen. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/77 "2011-03-09T01:30:40Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Problem is, high-quality drama shows like L&O are really expensive to make, almost like making a feature film; that’s why there are not more of them. To do a sitcom you just need two or three sets, and a studio audience, and some crusts and water for the writers; the only big expense comes when you have a big-name star like Sheen. ER solved that problem by writing out/in new blood. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2011, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/78 "2011-03-09T01:32:15Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > Even Bree Olson is getting her 15 minutes out of this. This is the Information Age; she was as famous as Sheen already. (The difference being that Sheen has a name people will **admit** they know. 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2011, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/79 "2011-03-09T01:36:49Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > I don’t know exactly what the laws are for involuntary commitment in California. If it was here in Illinois, literally \*any \*adult could (try to) get him to the ER and convince a doctor that Sheen was a danger to himself or others for a 72 hour evaluation hold. Doesn’t have to be a family member, or even anyone who actually knows him. Same in Florida – it’s called the [Baker Act.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_Act) A phrase that seems so widely known, now – even in common parlance as a transitive verb, e.g., “He was Baker Acted” – that I suppose (some) other states must have copied Florida’s 1971 legislation. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845/80 "2011-03-09T01:40:14Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > He’s definitely got flight of ideas, and I’m hearing what I’d consider circumstantiality, derailment, clanging and hints of word salad, as well. Those are signs of thought disorders (mental illness) not drug abuse. I actually think he \*might \*be clean right now, and the drugs he was using to mask his thought disorder are no longer doing their job. At least that would simplify therapy . . . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-fired/573845.md?page=5)