# Charlie Sheen: Hero, Villian or Martyr? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 12, 2009, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774 "2009-09-12T01:36:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/1 "2009-09-12T01:36:03Z")
Martyr?, soon to be culled? silenced? like all too many good men are? Twenty Minutes with the President Reported by Charlie Sheen Tuesday, September 8, 2009 Alex Jones interviews Charlie Sheen. I recently had the pleasure of sitting down with our 44th President of the United States of America, Barack Hussein Obama, while he was out promoting his health care reform initiative. I requested 30 minutes given the scope and detail of my inquiry; they said I could have 20. Twenty minutes, 1200 seconds, not a lot of time to question the President about one of the most important events in our nation’s history. The following is a transcript of our remarkable discussion. [http://www.infowars.com/twenty-minutes-with-the-president/](http://www.infowars.com/twenty-minutes-with-the-president/) article continues. Raises many excellent points. plz bear in mind, that the above interview did NOT take place, but damn good script writing Mr Sheen… and, to follow, Charlie Sheen Demands Obama Reopen 9/11 Investigation In Video Message [http://www.prisonplanet.com/charlie-sheen-demands-obama-reopen-911-investigation-in-you-tube-clip.html](http://www.prisonplanet.com/charlie-sheen-demands-obama-reopen-911-investigation-in-you-tube-clip.html) enjoy, its called ‘Democracy’ ( sic ) Zanthor ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/2 "2009-09-12T01:41:59Z")
what’s the debate here? No one in their right mind would seriously believe that the interview in that link actually took place, right? ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/3 "2009-09-12T01:46:06Z")
oops, title meant to read, Charlie Sheen, hero or villain? or Martyr? although his Dad Martin activities are worthy of discussion, the emphasis was meant to be centered on Charlie, who in my book is one true American hero. what say you? Zan ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/4 "2009-09-12T01:52:19Z")
> [@Svejk\_1](#): > > what’s the debate here? No one in their right mind would seriously believe that the interview in that link actually took place, right? actually, many ppl did believe it was genuine, on other forums. it only says at the very bottom section of the 'interview that it was scripted, imaginary. many ppl did not read that far.. i forewarned that the script was created, but the transcript was delivered to Mr Pres nonetheless the debate is whether Mr Sheen has stuck his neck out, too far? see second link ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/5 "2009-09-12T01:57:25Z")
[QUOTE=zanthor] the debate is whether Mr Sheen has stuck his neck out, too far? [/QUOTE] Yeah, he should be looking out for black vans parked outside his condo alright. One of these days, they’ll disappear him, for sure :rolleyes: Also. **Zanthor** : paragraphs are your friend. Try not hitting ‘return’ whenever you finish writing a sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/6 "2009-09-12T01:59:16Z")
> [@Svejk\_1](#): > > Yeah, he should be looking out for black vans parked outside his condo alright. One of these days, they’ll disappear him, for sure :rolleyes: > > Also. **Zanthor** : paragraphs are your friend. Try not hitting ‘return’ whenever you finish writing a sentence. but i like return Did you even watch the interview with him? ---
**Author:** ![Weston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8797f3/32.png) [@Weston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weston)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/7 "2009-09-12T02:07:09Z")
Truthers are scum whose mad conspiracies mock reality, justice, and the memories of the dead. They should be shunned in civilised company. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/8 "2009-09-12T02:11:46Z")
The letter ‘i’ when used to refer to yourself is capitalized. The first letter beginning a sentence is also capitalized. The word “people” is not spelled “ppl”. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/9 "2009-09-12T02:14:17Z")
which dead are you referring to? the hundreds and hundreds and thousands of them ‘foreign’ ppl? that simply ‘had to die’? or just WTC? consider. The Second Treatise of Civil Government 1690 "That the aggressor, who puts himself into the state of war with another, and unjustly invades another man’s right, can, by such an unjust war, never come to have a right over the conquered, will be easily agreed by all men, who will not think that robbers and pirates have a right of empire over whomsoever they have force enough to master, or that men are bound by promises which unlawful force extorts from them "… “Great robbers punish little ones to keep them in their obedience; but the great ones are rewarded with laurels and triumphs, because they are too big for the weak hands of justice in this world, and have the power in their own possession which should punish offenders.” John Locke - 1632-1704 - [http://www.constitution.org/jl/2ndtreat.htm](http://www.constitution.org/jl/2ndtreat.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/10 "2009-09-12T02:18:48Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > the debate is whether Mr Sheen has stuck his neck out, too far? That’s actually a very good question. If he sticks out his neck far enough that his head actually enters the sigmoid colon, it may become substantially more difficult for him to get it out again. ---
**Author:** ![Weston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8797f3/32.png) [@Weston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weston)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/11 "2009-09-12T02:18:52Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > which dead are you referring to? > the hundreds and hundreds and thousands of them ‘foreign’ ppl? > that simply ‘had to die’? > or just WTC? I don’t waste my time arguing with truthers. Believe what you want. If you are a truther, your opinions in re. the WTC attacks are disgusting and offensive, and I just hope you have enough shame and self-respect not to inflict them on people in real life. I can’t say the same for Charlie Sheen. He’s already leapt way into “full fledged scumbag” territory. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/12 "2009-09-12T02:19:06Z")
Hollywood people don’t usually have the mental hygiene and discipline to do as much drugs as they do, it ends badly. First it goes badly, then it ends badly. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/13 "2009-09-12T02:20:24Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > The letter ‘i’ when used to refer to yourself is capitalized. The first letter beginning a sentence is also capitalized. The word “people” is not spelled “ppl”. Rly? 4 sure? U think i care. why should i capatilise i, i am not promoting myself, if i was i might use I. if i so chose to.. U think you will be able determine what English is acceptable or not? you have not got a prayer. these are the days of SMS. You want to discuss SMS shorthand? open a new thread… meanwhiles plz answer the question, true American Hero, Villain, or Martyr. I say Hero, possibly Martyr, like. You will never work in this town again, or worse… lol ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/14 "2009-09-12T02:22:25Z")
> [@Weston](#): > > I don’t waste my time arguing with truthers. Believe what you want. Your opinions in re. the WTC attacks are disgusting and offensive. I just hope you have enough shame and self-respect not to inflict them on people in real life. Curious how you deduced what i believe, the thread was about Charlie Sheen. why do you personalise it? i merely asked questions? Still awaiting answers worthy of debate… ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/15 "2009-09-12T02:23:59Z")
\*\*Martin Sheen, Hero Villian or Martyr? \*\* I vote “loon”. ---
**Author:** ![Weston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8797f3/32.png) [@Weston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weston)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/16 "2009-09-12T02:24:04Z")
> [@zanthor](#): > > Curious how you deduced what i believe, > the thread was about Charlie Sheen. > why do you personalise it? > i merely asked questions? > Still awaiting answers worthy of debate… I told you, I’m not taking this any further. Please don’t expect an answer. ---
**Author:** ![Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uosdwis_R.Dewoh)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/17 "2009-09-12T02:25:24Z")
The “interview” seems to consist of the same tired bullshit arguments that have been refuted time and time again. One thing I was wondering about. Mr. Sheen refers to a Pentagon defensive system. > [@](#): > > As the plane was not shot down, in addition to the fact that armed fighter jets were nowhere near the plane and the Pentagon defensive system was not activated, are we to take it that the orders were to let the plane find its target I presume he means some kind of anti-air defense. Does/did such a system exist or has Charlie Sheen seen too many scifi movies? ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/18 "2009-09-12T02:26:12Z")
I wish the Illuminati would start putting Ritalin in the chemtrails. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/19 "2009-09-12T02:26:17Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > why should i capatilise i, Because otherwise, on this board, no one’s going to care what you say and end up spending half their time ridiculing you rather than actually considering anything you’ve written. If you don’t care about whether you’re taken seriously, then go ahead and do as you will. But if you actually want to be included in the conversations on the SDMB, you’re going to have to write to a minimum standard of quality. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/20 "2009-09-12T02:27:50Z")
> [@Weston](#): > > I told you, I’m not taking this any further. Please don’t expect an answer. is that your final no answer? seriously. you dont have to reply… ok, fine. Dont see how you have contributed anything so far. so, NP CYA [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774.md?page=2)