# Charlie Sheen: Hero, Villian or Martyr? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 12, 2009, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774 "2009-09-12T01:36:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/41 "2009-09-12T19:27:39Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Charlie Sheen is an idiot. > > And a god. After all, he did get to sleep with Denise Richards for a few years. Back when she was hot too. Hmmmm. Anyways, on this issue he’s clearly an ignorant tool and sadly this might inspire other ignorant half wits to spread the message of stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/42 "2009-09-12T20:02:25Z")
\*Pedro Cerrano: Bats, they are sick. I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats. I offer him cigar, rum. He will come. Eddie Harris: You know you might think about taking Jesus Christ as your savior instead of fooling around with all this stuff. Roger Dorn: Shit, Harris. Pedro Cerrano: Jesus, I like him very much, but he no help with curveball. Eddie Harris: You trying to say Jesus Christ can’t hit a curveball? \* And, might I add: \*Lou Brown: Forget about the curve ball Ricky, give him the heater. \* Forsooth, Sua Sponte, and try the veal. Amen. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/43 "2009-09-12T23:10:02Z")
Checked World Papers, Just as i expected, Virtually Nothing, World Wide Response Appears to be Minimal. Did find this tho. The small amount of response reeks of the alternative to Ignore, namely, Derision, but that too is expected Huh? Just like here, in this Thread… Assess for yourself. Sheen Challenges 9/11 Truth Debunkers to Larry King Live Debate Source. [http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS201956+11-Sep-2009+PRN20090911](http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS201956+11-Sep-2009+PRN20090911) Excerpts. ‘We’re not hiding,’ states Sheen as he calls out McCain, Hannity, Limbaugh and O’Reilly AUSTIN, Sept. 11 /PRNewswire/ – Appearing on The Alex Jones Show today to discuss his video address to Barack Obama, Charlie Sheen has challenged those who have publicly attacked him for speaking out on 9/11, particularly Meghan McCain, Rush Limbaugh Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly, to debate him on CNN’s Larry King Live. snip. “I quoted Charlie Sheen yesterday about his experience with prostitutes, so really you’re the one I should be listening to about 9/11? . . . I am not going to take my political advice from Charlie Sheen,” stated McCain, daughter of the former Republican nominee John McCain snip. ( Really got to love that, as if Republican Conservatives have any right to claim a squeaky clean record on moral purity? ) A familiar theme arising out of such hit pieces is an effort to imply that Sheen’s questioning of the official 9/11 story is somehow an “outrage” and hurtful to the family members of the victims, despite the fact that the majority of victims’ family members share the same questions. article continues. Overall, same call as here, ridicule the newsbringer, fail to address the OP. Namely, are the points that Mr Sheen raised valid in any way shape or form.? I think probably he will be Martyred, but we shall see, His challenge has possibly raised the stakes. BTW, i have no personal belief either way re 9/11, although i would say there is an element of doubt, so what? my ( no Cap ) interest in 9/11 is more concerned with how 9/11 was used to annihilate Iraq, WOT crap, whilst only a token force of 1200 invaded Afghanistan, ‘apparently’ to hunt down OBL, when 19 of the 9/11 attackers were Saudi, and Finance of 9/11 was Saudi origins… and OBL was in Afghanistan at CIA training camps, initially. These are such things that don’t add up. I say good on Mr Sheen to have the courage to stick his neck out. I applaud him. Zan ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/44 "2009-09-13T00:54:33Z")
seems as if i spoke too early. many more world wide sources are picking up on the story. > **[Google News](https://news.google.com/search?aq=f&pz=1&hl=en-AU&q=Charlie%2BSheen%2B9%2F11&gl=AU&ceid=AU:en)** > > Comprehensive, up-to-date news coverage, aggregated from sources all over the world by Google News. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/45 "2009-09-13T01:02:37Z")
Or, she’s not going to take her advice from Charlie Sheen because he’s a freaking assmunch? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/46 "2009-09-13T01:11:03Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > Checked World Papers, Just as i expected, Virtually Nothing, World Wide Response Appears to be Minimal. Wow, that _is_ a shock. I can’t believe this isn’t headline news around the world. “B list celebrity believes wacky bullshit. Film at eleven.” I mean, c’mon! How often do you hear a story like that! ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/47 "2009-09-13T01:13:38Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Or, she’s not going to take her advice from Charlie Sheen because he’s a freaking assmunch? or perhaps cos she is the offspring of a would be No One Pres hero?. no other claim to fame??? assmunch? curious term, i don’t at all understand what you mean by it. If it is what i you think you mean, then its all pleasure, no pain, surely. Whats more important surely is the content of those that disbelieve the official party line. We were justified in pre-emptive strikes… that destroy nations…?? those that dare to question, but why? are they all assmunches?, even the families of the 3000 America lost. that hunger to know, why? or the hundreds and hundreds of thousands that we killed…? can they ask, but why, Nope, sorry, too late for you, you are , History… ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/48 "2009-09-13T01:25:23Z")
I LIKE Meghan McCain. If only the Republican party were more like her. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/49 "2009-09-13T01:37:52Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > Charlie Sheen: Hero, Villian or Martyr? > Martyr?, soon to be culled? silenced? > like all too many good men are? Riddle me this, **Zanthor** : Why would anybody in the administration want to “silence” a noted moron and cokehead because he wrote a “what if?” article? The folks at SNL, The Daily Show, etc, write worse without being disappeared, and some of them are also morons and cokeheads. Where does the Truth Movement get the idea that everybody cares what they say? The best part of this episode is that Alex Jones built up the release of this interview as a [“huge announcement”](http://www.infowars.com/huge-announcement-coming-tomorrow-to-infowars-and-prison-planet/) and [neglected to note that the interview did not actually take place](http://www.abovetopsecret.com/alex-jones-charlie-sheen-hoax.html) for an hour and a half after posting it, leading to [egg on the faces of a lot of his followers.](http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread499451/pg1) Note that [abovetopsecret.com](http://abovetopsecret.com) is a nest of crackpots, and they are pissed that they are being shown to be idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/50 "2009-09-13T02:01:44Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > Curious how you deduced what i believe, > the thread was about Charlie Sheen. > why do you personalise it? > i merely asked questions? > Still awaiting answers worthy of debate… Ya know, if you changed “answers worthy of debate” to ‘answers, to debate the machine’, you’d have made a pretty nifty limerick. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/51 "2009-09-13T02:03:46Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > those that dare to question, but why? > are they all assmunches?, even the families of the 3000 America lost. > that hunger to know, why? > or the hundreds and hundreds of thousands that we killed…? > can they ask, but why, > Nope, sorry, too late for you, you are , History… Seriously, dude, you aren’t half bad as a poet. You should be funneling your energy there, instead of wasting time trying to change reality. ---
**Author:** ![TheFatKid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/34f0e0/32.png) [@TheFatKid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheFatKid)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/52 "2009-09-13T02:13:03Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > i respect anyone who dares to question the status quo, , its a basic right of what is held most sacred. Oh, give me a break. So do you respect people who claim the Holocaust is a fraud? Or who believe the moon landing was faked? Or who think the earth is flat? Please. We don’t get to what’s true or false by framing things in terms of “questioning the status quo”. You look at the evidence. You think critically. All this Truther nonsense is crack-smoking stupid. No one should respect it. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/53 "2009-09-13T02:15:20Z")
> [@TheFatKid](#): > > So do you respect people who claim the Holocaust is a fraud? Or who believe the moon landing was faked? Or who think the earth is flat? I admire but do not share your optimism concerning the limits of **Zanthor** ’s credulity. ---
**Author:** ![TurboNuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f19dbf/32.png) [@TurboNuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TurboNuke)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/54 "2009-09-13T12:14:34Z")
> [@TheFatKid](#): > > So do you respect people who claim the Holocaust is a fraud? I bet Zan is a Holocaust denier too. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/55 "2009-09-13T19:11:21Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > Thank you for fixing thread title. > > Time will tell whether anything comes from his actions. > I think prob not, those that wield power know when to use the ignore button, > Mr Sheen will most likely be hushed by ignore. > nonetheless > i respect anyone who dares to question the status quo, , its a basic right of what is held most sacred. > > the right to ask, why ? How? etc > What you call ‘freedom’ “Freedom” applies to us too, you know. He has the right to express his views. He does NOT have the right to express said views without people giving their opinions. That’s life. Suck it up. (Oh, and proper sentence structure and paragraph formation are your friends.) ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/56 "2009-09-13T20:47:15Z")
Honestly the OP’s haiku’s are giving me headaches. I think we’ve reached an overwhelming consensus that Sheen is just an ignoramous. Rather than argue this strawman perhaps the OP could just come out and state what he or she believes really happened on 9/11 and then we can discuss from there? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/57 "2009-09-13T21:08:41Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > Rather than argue this strawman perhaps the OP could just come out and state what he or she believes really happened on 9/11 Since not one truther on the planet has done that, given over 8 years time now, I somehow doubt this one is going to break the mold. It’s going to be “I’m not a truther” [followed by continuing to behave like one] or “I don’t believe anything one way or another, I’m _just asking questions._” ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/58 "2009-09-13T21:18:03Z")
I say Charlie will end up being a Martyr. The windmill always wins. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/59 "2009-09-13T22:46:43Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > Now, On Topic. > I still have not heard any worthy comment about what Mr Sheen has done. It may not be “worthy”, but I did spend a lot of time on it. As originally presented on the [JREF Forum](http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5089062#post5089062), may I present to you my take on this Charlie Sheen nonsense: [Alex Jones, the Epic Fail Story.](http://horatius.stripgenerator.com/2009/09/09/alex-jones-the-epic-fail-story/) You can follow the strip reply links to see the whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774/60 "2009-09-13T23:10:23Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Riddle me this, **Zanthor** : Why would anybody in the administration want to “silence” a noted moron and cokehead because he wrote a “what if?” article? The folks at SNL, The Daily Show, etc, write worse without being disappeared, and some of them are also morons and cokeheads. Where does the Truth Movement get the idea that everybody cares what they say? > > The best part of this episode is that Alex Jones built up the release of this interview as a [“huge announcement”](http://www.infowars.com/huge-announcement-coming-tomorrow-to-infowars-and-prison-planet/) and [neglected to note that the interview did not actually take place](http://www.abovetopsecret.com/alex-jones-charlie-sheen-hoax.html) for an hour and a half after posting it, leading to [egg on the faces of a lot of his followers.](http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread499451/pg1) Note that [abovetopsecret.com](http://abovetopsecret.com) is a nest of crackpots, and they are pissed that they are being shown to be idiots. Do you want to change the OP from Charlie Sheen, Hero, Villain?, ( soon to be Demonised beyond belief ) to. Name the Famous ppl throughout History, guilty of substance abuse? yet produced huge input to mankinds awareness nonetheless?. if so My favorite would be Aldous Huxley, try, 'The Doors of Perception, Heaven and Hell", where Jim Morrison got the name for his group for, BTW. or this? The role of mind altering substances in warfare? EG. Afghan alcohol ban after Nato staff were ‘too hungover’ to give explanation for airstrike that killed 70 civilians # Merkel is defiant after criticism of Germany over airstrike # Alcohol ‘was not a factor in the strike itself’ Read more: [U.S. forces in Afghanistan in dock on two counts over storming of hospital and airstrike death of 70 civilians | Daily Mail Online](http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1211736/U-S-forces-Afghanistan-dock-counts-storming-hospital-airstrike-death-70-civilians.html#ixzz0R1wkMQMZ) excerpt from article. Alcohol has been banned from Nato’s headquarters in Afghanistan in the wake of an airstrike that killed up to 70 civilians. US General Stanley McChrystal, head of the International Forces in Afghanistan (Isaf), decided to bar boozing after launching an investigation into the bombing in northern Afghanistan. Staff at the Kabul headquarters were ‘either drunk or too hungover’ to answer his questions. article continues… Whatever you say, however you want to say it, belittle him, Charlie Sheen is my Hero, he has courage, to ask, why? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-sheen-hero-villian-or-martyr/509774.md?page=4)