# Charlie Weis: Your job is toast **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 3, 2007, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141 "2007-11-03T22:42:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2007, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141/21 "2007-11-04T14:58:15Z")
Does this mean that Notre Dame will stop scheduling games with all the military academies? Who else can they schedule to pad their number of victories every year? ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2007, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141/22 "2007-11-04T15:02:54Z")
[QUOTE=Gatopescado] But it all came out allright. Except for that F’ing LSU win. Disparaging. They DO NOT deserve to be #3. [/QUOTE] Really? they’ve played the hardest shcedule of any one loss team… I don’t see Ty Willingham doing any better with this group and this schedule. You can’t play eight bowl teams in a rebuilding year and expect much, but one win at this point is unthinkable. And no one could have seen Clausen awful play coming- he was wanted by pretty much everybody. Didn’t he take a limo to signing day? what an ass. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2007, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141/23 "2007-11-04T19:53:23Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] Really? they’ve played the hardest shcedule of any one loss team… I don’t see Ty Willingham doing any better with this group and this schedule. You can’t play eight bowl teams in a rebuilding year and expect much, but one win at this point is unthinkable. And no one could have seen Clausen awful play coming- he was wanted by pretty much everybody. Didn’t he take a limo to signing day? what an ass. [/QUOTE] One player does not a team make. Notre Dame was unable to stop a simple triple-option running attack. That’s like so antiquated it shouldn’t have gotten going at all against them. The defense for the Irish was awful. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141/24 "2007-11-06T09:48:52Z")
Defense on both sides of the ball was highly porous. I mean, do the math: complete game into triple overtime, 0 interceptions for either side, total of 2 punts. 3rd-down completion was about 50%, 4th-down completion was 100% for Navy, 75% for Notre Dame. These teams didn’t stop _anybody_, defensively. They stopped themselves. Edit: That doesn’t stop me from laughing my butt off. Notre Dame, 1-8. I just wish the big ND fan still worked in our office. He’d be livid. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141/25 "2007-11-06T10:18:53Z")
[QUOTE=Enfant Terrible] Triple overtime, Navy 46, ND 44. And the ballsiest two-point conversion call I think I’ve ever seen. [/QUOTE] If your talking about the 2 point conversion that Navy made in the 3rd overtime, that actually wasn’t ballsy. College overtime rules require teams to try for the 2 point converstion starting with the 3rd overtime. It was a great play though. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141/26 "2007-11-06T11:15:06Z")
BTW, YouTube has video of the Naval Academy superintendent crowd surfing after the win. Ever see a three-star admiral crowd surf? ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141/27 "2007-11-06T11:15:43Z")
[QUOTE=Fugazi] If your talking about the 2 point conversion that Navy made in the 3rd overtime, that actually wasn’t ballsy. College overtime rules require teams to try for the 2 point converstion starting with the 3rd overtime. It was a great play though. [/QUOTE] Presumably, talking about the 2-point conversion to make Navy’s score 28 in regular time. Which pretty much was required since they had doinked the EP the touchdown before… :eek: ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141/28 "2007-11-06T12:10:47Z")
[QUOTE=flickster] Does this mean that Notre Dame will stop scheduling games with all the military academies? Who else can they schedule to pad their number of victories every year? [/QUOTE] Well, let’s see… the #1 team in America had Kent State, Akron and Youngstown State. Those would be pretty good replacements for the service academies. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141/29 "2007-11-06T13:06:51Z")
ND losing is a great thing. It let’s Michigan get a bit more seperation in the all-time wins, and all-time winning percentage. 🙂 Let’s keep wise for the full contract. ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141/30 "2007-11-06T14:55:33Z")
[QUOTE=astorian] Well, let’s see… the #1 team in America had Kent State, Akron and Youngstown State. Those would be pretty good replacements for the service academies. [/QUOTE] But OSU won the fabled Ohio state championship! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141/31 "2007-11-06T15:43:14Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] I can’t see him getting fired this year, because he just signed a huge deal, and it would cost too much to can him. [/QUOTE] My thoughts exactly. And while 1-8 is embarrassing, getting rid of a coach you just honored with a 10-year extension might be even more embarrassing. And you make a good point about the schedule also; a writer for SI made a similar point in a story a few months ago. I doubt that part of the equation is going to get any better, either. I agree that LSU shouldn’t be #3. They should be #2, and that’s where they are. ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141/32 "2007-11-06T16:58:17Z")
[QUOTE=fiddlesticks] But OSU won the fabled Ohio state championship! :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Hey, the Buckeyes still have to beat D3 perennial champion Mount Union College from Alliance OH in order to claim the all Ohio title. As for my beloved Irish, they’ll just have to lick their wounds and come back stronger. What annoyed me about the Navy game was Weis’ decision to play for the tie at the end of the 4th quarter. There was no reason at all to play for the tie, given how they hadn’t stopped Navy all day, (and indeed, haven’t stopped anybody other than UCLA and their 5th string walkon QB for over a year). Be aggressive. Play for the win! And while you’re at it, go with the flow and put in the spread offense. I do want to throw in the fact that not stopping Navy’s antiquated offense is no real disgrace, as Navy was averaging 33+ ppg against D1 teams coming into the game against the Irish. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141/33 "2007-11-06T18:58:13Z")
[QUOTE=astorian] Well, let’s see… the #1 team in America had Kent State, Akron and Youngstown State. Those would be pretty good replacements for the service academies. [/QUOTE] I’m no fan of theirs or their schedule either - but is this a schedule they repeat year after year? ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141/34 "2007-11-06T19:21:44Z")
[QUOTE=flickster] I’m no fan of theirs or their schedule either - but is this a schedule they repeat year after year? [/QUOTE] OSU tends to play 3 puffballs and 1 “tough” non-conference games each year. This is not unusual…not many teams regularly schedule more than one non-conference game against a team that’s at or above the school’s general level of competitive-ness. This year, their “tough” opponent was Washington. Washington is in a down period and haven’t been a national power in recent years, hence the complaints about the schedule and that they “haven’t beaten anyone”. But in 2005 & 2006, they played a home/away series with Texas and in 2008 & 2009, they’ll play USC home and away, so they don’t shy away from challenging themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141/35 "2007-11-06T19:23:06Z")
[QUOTE=wolfman] ND losing is a great thing. It let’s Michigan get a bit more seperation in the all-time wins, and all-time winning percentage. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Don’t worry, Michigan will keep the losses to FCS (aka D-I AA) schools at home record too. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141/36 "2007-11-06T20:18:04Z")
Did anyone notice that during the MNF game last night, Mike Tirico said, “allan rossum from Notre Dame is submarined on the play.” Mike Greenberg this morning was saying he put him up to it (in part, naturally, to needle Golic). ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141/37 "2007-11-06T21:15:39Z")
[QUOTE=zamboniracer] Hey, the Buckeyes still have to beat D3 perennial champion Mount Union College from Alliance OH in order to claim the all Ohio title. [/QUOTE] UT? BGSU? Cincinnati? CWR? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141/38 "2007-11-06T21:24:45Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] And at lteast part of the blame should go to the schedule maker- there’s not one bad team on their schedule, except Duke. [/QUOTE] You obviously haven’t seen Stanford. Yes, I know they beat SC. Teams get lucky…just ask App State. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-weis-your-job-is-toast/425141.md?page=1)