# Charter team match-ups in the World Series **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 17, 2012, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053 "2012-10-17T19:53:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/1 "2012-10-17T19:53:54Z")
These are the only match-ups (among original teams) not to happen in the WS: Red Sox v. Braves Tigers v. Phillies Tigers v. Braves Tigers v. Giants Tigers v. Dodgers A’s v. Phillies A’s v. Pirates Senators (Twins) v. Phillies Senators (Twins) v. Cubs Senators (Twins) v. Reds White Sox v. Cards White Sox v. Giants White Sox v. Braves White Sox v. Phillies White Sox v. Pirates Browns (Orioles) v. Reds Browns (Orioles) v. Braves Browns (Orioles) v. Giants Browns (Orioles) v. Dodgers Browns (Orioles) v. Cubs Indians v. Pirates Indians v. Phillies Indians v. Reds Indians v. Cubs Indians v. Cards ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/2 "2012-10-17T20:32:54Z")
Keep up the good work. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/3 "2012-10-17T20:36:40Z")
White Sox v. Giants, 1917 Orioles v. Dodgers, 1966 ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/4 "2012-10-17T21:29:25Z")
In addition to the Dodgers, the Orioles have also played the Reds, in 1970. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/5 "2012-10-17T22:13:19Z")
Well, I say we knock out Tigers vs. Giants this year, then! ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/6 "2012-10-17T22:16:23Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > In addition to the Dodgers, the Orioles have also played the Reds, in 1970. Ya think \*\*etv \*\*picked these teams at random? I’m expecting someone will eventually provide years that EVERY one of these teams have met in the post-season. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/7 "2012-10-17T22:37:44Z")
My mistakes are probably a product of missing them in a wall of text/misaligning the columns as I scanned the page. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/8 "2012-10-17T22:51:47Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > My mistakes are probably a product of missing them in a wall of text/misaligning the columns as I scanned the page. But do you have a point with this? ---
**Author:** ![kevja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@kevja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kevja)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/9 "2012-10-17T22:57:10Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Well, I say we knock out Tigers vs. Giants this year, then! I’ll second that! ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/10 "2012-10-17T23:15:25Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > But do you have a point with this? :smack: I meant to add at the bottom of the OP that this was merely some interesting trivia. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2012, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/11 "2012-10-18T11:09:30Z")
Maybe it would help if you mentioned why you find it interesting. Or why you decided in the first place to (try to) put it all in writing. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2012, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/12 "2012-10-18T15:21:15Z")
Jeez, I don’t know, it’s not my list, but I find it at least _mildly_ interesting. For example, take the first item on the list. The Red Sox and Braves both originally played in Boston. Even if the Braves still played there, they would never have had a Subway Series. And you can see that Tigers v. Giants would be a new matchup, which is kind of surprising since those were pretty good teams in the old days. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2012, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/13 "2012-10-18T16:21:28Z")
Why? There are 14 original teams - that’s a total possible matchup list of 49 games (barring any teams switching leagues). There have been 110 World Series (modern era), and with each expansion, the odds of any unplayed game of those 49 matchups are dramatically lowered (with 30 teams, there are 225 possible matchups (176 of which are undesirable outcomes for this) clogging up the process). The math just gets worse and worse each time a dominant team arises. It’s entirely unsurprising. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2012, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/14 "2012-10-18T17:39:17Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > There are 14 original teams. 16, actually, 8 in each league. It’s unsurprising that many matchups haven’t taken place, given that a significant number of the charter teams have had fewer than 8 Series appearances. AL: Browns/Orioles 6, Senators/Twins 6, White Sox 5, Indians 5 NL: Phillies 7, Pirates 7 The fact that a few teams have been dominant in each league over extended periods also limits the number of match-ups. The Yankees have played in 36% of all World Series, and the Giants, Dodgers and Cardinals combined in 50%. A disproportionate number of matchups have been between these teams. The most surprising thing to me on the list is the discrepancy between how many NL teams the Red Sox have missed playing (1, out of 11 Series appearances) vs the Tigers (4, out of 10 appearances). The Tigers have played the Cubs 4 times, and the Cardinals 3 times. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2012, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/15 "2012-10-18T18:18:59Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The Tigers have played the Cubs 4 times, and the Cardinals 3 times. And, GOB-willing, will play the Cards for a 4th time this year. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2012, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/16 "2012-10-18T20:21:37Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > But do you have a point with this? As someone who transcribed all post-season results from the paper version of the Baseball Encyclopedia and entered it into an Access database just so I can run queries like this… I have to say: why does there need to be a point? ---
**Author:** ![Rhiannon8404](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhiannon8404/32/17929_2.png) [@Rhiannon8404](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhiannon8404)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2012, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/17 "2012-10-18T22:29:45Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Well, I say we knock out Tigers vs. Giants this year, then! Yep, I’m all for this! Thanks for the interesting info, **etv78**. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2012, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/18 "2012-10-18T22:56:29Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > As someone who transcribed all post-season results from the paper version of the Baseball Encyclopedia and entered it into an Access database just so I can run queries like this… > > I have to say: why does there need to be a point? But you didn’t post it here. This is a discussion board. It’s fair to ask an OP what exactly they find interesting about information they post and why they posted it. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2012, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/19 "2012-10-21T12:51:05Z")
_ **I** _, for one, find this interesting for historical reasons and am glad **etv78** posted it! ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2012, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053/20 "2012-10-21T12:53:00Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Well, I say we knock out Tigers vs. Giants this year, then! Offered by **Suburban Plankton**. Seconded by **kevja**. Thirded by **Rhiannon8404**. I’ll fourth this. **GO GIANTS!!!** [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charter-team-match-ups-in-the-world-series/638053.md?page=2)