# Cheat to keep Republicans from winning Mass Senate seat, says MSNBC's Schultz **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 19, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576 "2010-01-19T17:05:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/61 "2010-01-19T20:50:12Z")
So everybody but one person instantly denounces a lefty radio person for jokingly advocating voter fraud (and I still denounce and demand firing even if it is a joke). Meanwhile the righties are daily saying idiotic things, “Haiti making a pact with the devil” and “we give enough to Haiti” (Robertson and Limbaugh) being the right wing idiocy of the last week and the righties pretty much suck it up and take it, not caring that they are associated with racist idiots. I can understand why some thinking people are conservatives still, but not why anybody with two brain cells to rub together is a Republican party booster unless they are paid to do so. Of course, the exception may be swallowing the rule. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/62 "2010-01-19T20:52:26Z")
I can understand why all sorts of felons commit felonies and people like dumb ideas. It’s called empathy. I understand why people have great dislike of Republicanism, but I don’t think it is worth advocating crimes for. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/63 "2010-01-19T20:53:06Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > It’s not evil to prevent evil from coming into being. > > This analogy is 100% fitting and correct: If I were being attacked, it would be completely ok for me to defend myself with deadly force even though I cannot usually use deadly force. > > This is self-defense for the Constitution. The Republicans obviously don’t care about it, and would ruin it and destroy it when in power. Stopping that through any means necessary is ok. The Constitution can be preserved against this small hit. It cannot survive another 12 years of Republican Congressional rule nor 8 years of Palin. You do realize that same argument could be used by Republicans, equally convinced that the Dems are subverting the Constitution? What’s good for the goose, etc (although I have a strong feeling you’d be bursting with righteous indignation if a Republican had suggested this.) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/64 "2010-01-19T20:53:44Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Really, **Marley**? You really believe that support for this idea is so razor thin that it borders on the absurd that even one person stepped up to say that it’s a good idea, that Republicans are so evil that keeping that out of office by any means necessary is on balance a good thing? > > Really? Really, **Bricker**? You really started a thread in Great Debates based on an obvious throwaway hyperbole that even _you_ admit you didn’t take seriously? Really? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/65 "2010-01-19T20:55:39Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > You do realize that same argument could be used by Republicans, equally convinced that the Dems are subverting the Constitution? What’s good for the goose, etc (although I have a strong feeling you’d be bursting with righteous indignation if a Republican had suggested this.) No, because **Yog** ’s interpretation of the constitution is the one and only correct interpretation. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/66 "2010-01-19T20:55:43Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Ask and ye shall receive: I asked for this stupid thread to get moved to The Pit or MPSIMS instead of clogging up GD with stupid partisan rants. I definitely didn’t get what I asked for. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/67 "2010-01-19T20:56:45Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > If I were in Massachusetts, I would completely do this. It’s not that I’m a bastard for killing democracy. It’s already dead, the Republicans killed it. They are completely at fault for the poison atmosphere within politics and they cannot be the only ones profiting from it. The thing is, if you want zero sides doing this stuff, then two sides doing it isn’t better than one. The people who do shit like this are my enemies. It doesn’t matter what party they are. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/68 "2010-01-19T21:00:31Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Really, **Bricker**? You really started a thread in Great Debates based on an obvious throwaway hyperbole that even _you_ admit you didn’t take seriously? > Really? It works better if you imagine Seth Myers and Amy Poehler saying that in unison. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/69 "2010-01-19T21:01:14Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Really, **Bricker**? You really started a thread in Great Debates based on an obvious throwaway hyperbole that even _you_ admit you didn’t take seriously? > Really? I’m not sure why you’re having trouble grasping this, but I’ll be happy to try to explain again. I’m not sure whether Shultz was serious or not. I think it’s likely that he was semi-serious – that is, saying something he believed but with the ready cover of “It was hyperbole!” or “Can’t those righties take a joke?” But what I am _certain_ of is that a non-zero segment of his listeners absolutely agreed with the idea. Is that proposition ill-suited for debate? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/70 "2010-01-19T21:03:01Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > I asked for this stupid thread to get moved to The Pit or MPSIMS instead of clogging up GD with stupid partisan rants. > > I definitely didn’t get what I asked for. I took your comment “Maybe we can find some people who think election fraud is Okey Dokey somewhere,” to be mocking and sarcastic – that is, you made it to convey the idea that actually finding such people would never happen. Was I mistaken? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/71 "2010-01-19T21:03:13Z")
If you already knew the answer, there was nothing to debate, right? Unless you didn’t really mean _that_, either. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/72 "2010-01-19T21:04:29Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But what I am _certain_ of is that a non-zero segment of his listeners absolutely agreed with the idea. Is that proposition ill-suited for debate? For someone who nigh but constantly joins in the incessant whining about the mistreatment from the far, far left wing, you sure pay them an awful lot of time and attention. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/73 "2010-01-19T21:06:43Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I took your comment “Maybe we can find some people who think election fraud is Okey Dokey somewhere,” to be mocking and sarcastic – that is, you made it to convey the idea that actually finding such people would never happen. > > Was I mistaken? You can find people to support pretty much any idea, from sex with children, to torturing people, to murdering abortion doctors. Finding the far reaches of either party isn’t exactly hard. Pandering to them, and trying to portray them as mainstream, THAT’S my problem with your threads. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/74 "2010-01-19T21:07:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But what I am _certain_ of is that a non-zero segment of his listeners absolutely agreed with the idea. Is that proposition ill-suited for debate? This thin excuse would make _any_ topic suited for Great Debates-you name a proposition, idea, side etc.,not matter how rediculous or insane, and I’m sure I can find _someone_ who’ll support it. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/75 "2010-01-19T21:07:41Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > So everybody but one person instantly denounces a lefty radio person for jokingly advocating voter fraud (and I still denounce and demand firing even if it is a joke). Meanwhile the righties are daily saying idiotic things, “Haiti making a pact with the devil” and “we give enough to Haiti” (Robertson and Limbaugh) being the right wing idiocy of the last week and the righties pretty much suck it up and take it, not caring that they are associated with racist idiots. > > I can understand why some thinking people are conservatives still, but not why anybody with two brain cells to rub together is a Republican party booster unless they are paid to do so. Of course, the exception may be swallowing the rule. Again I’ll point out that there are any number of posts here from me criticizing Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coluter, and most recently Pat Robertson’s odious remark. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/76 "2010-01-19T21:09:17Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > You can find people to support pretty much any idea, from sex with children, to torturing people, to murdering abortion doctors. Finding the far reaches of either party isn’t exactly hard. Pandering to them, and trying to portray them as mainstream, THAT’S my problem with your threads. I am confident that I’m applying the same analysis to this as has been amply demonstrated on this message board as applied to other polarizing figures and statements. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/77 "2010-01-19T21:11:50Z")
Never match wits with a Cecilian when death is on the line. And never, ever, ever get into a semantic parsing fight with a Jesuit-trained lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/78 "2010-01-19T21:12:21Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I am confident that I’m applying the same analysis to this as has been amply demonstrated on this message board as applied to other polarizing figures and statements. And that makes it right? Ah, Bricker, once again, seizing the high road of intelligent discourse. Kudos to you and enjoy wallowing in your thread. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/79 "2010-01-19T21:45:32Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > You do realize that same argument could be used by Republicans, equally convinced that the Dems are subverting the Constitution? What’s good for the goose, etc (although I have a strong feeling you’d be bursting with righteous indignation if a Republican had suggested this.) Republicans can use it, but it doesn’t make it right. That’s like a murderer saying that because other people do bad things without punishment, it’s ok for him to murder For too long Republicans have been claiming equal moral stance whenever one of their own exhibits a failing. Mark Foley, Vitter, Larry Craig, Limbaug, Bachmann, etc. All of their replies to dumb shit they’ve done or said is “But Dems do it too so we’re all equally bad!” NO fucking way. Democrats are not subverting the Constitution. There is no equivalent crime compared to the myriad of treasonous and evil things the Reps have done and said. They can blow hot air until they’re blue in the face but the fact is there is no equivalent Dem moral failing, not in degree and not in number. The Reps say that because otherwise they’d have to acknowledge their failures and make their case for election seem weaker, and losing power is not something they’d ever consider. Sorry, but the analogy holds true: In order to save the Constitution from Republicans that would destroy it, Dems must do anything and everything to prevent them from coming into power. They are evil and up to no good ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kearsen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576/80 "2010-01-19T21:51:11Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > If I were in Massachusetts, I would completely do this. It’s not that I’m a bastard for killing democracy. It’s already dead, the Republicans killed it. They are completely at fault for the poison atmosphere within politics and they cannot be the only ones profiting from it. > > In general, after seeing Obama’s first year, I now subscribe to the rule that no Republican should ever be in power, anywhere. They make a mockery of “news” by lying at every chance about anything. Fox News is not so much a news channel than the right’s personal Goebbels TV. They lie about terrorist attacks, the number of and severity of, by saying there were no attacks during the Bush regime (except for 9-11, that didn’t count from the guy who was mayor of the city at the time, and the shoe bomber, and all those other attacks) and claim there were 3 under Obama. > > They mock rules of decorum and cry when others use it against them by yelling at Obama that he’s a liar, then whining when Alan Grayson points out their own policies will result in the deaths of their constituents. > > They elevate a conniving bitch to party leader, excuse her retarded brainlessness as “folksy” and give her a platform for her presidential run in 2012. > > Their oustered former leader Cheney openly questions and mocks Obama for every move. If he doesn’t respond immediately he’s too slow. If he does respond it’s not enough. If he researches a decision it’s giving comfort to our enemies. And they accuse him of not saying “terror” enough > > These are people who openly defied the official presidential policy by going to another country as Congressmen and telling the leader of these South American countries to ignore Hillary, ignore Obama, and listen to them instead. This used to be called treason but apparently it’s just policy differences now. > > Speaking of which, confessed torture and open mockery of not only international law and our own is now also deemed policy differences. > > Their most popular and influencial speaker just recently told people NOT to donate to a tragic disaster!! Who the fuck has ever said NOT to donate to something like this?? > > Their Congressmen openly and proudly declared they were going to obstruct at every turn and want the president to fail, when 5 years ago they were calling for treason charges to anyone who dared question anything the president did. > > And let’s not forget, these same congressmen just absolutely threw shit on any possibility of civilized bipartisanship by calling for their fucking god to strike dead a Senator so he can’t vote. > > These are not people you can reason with. These are not mere disagreements. The Republican party is filled to the their fucking overflowing brim with EVIL. They should never be allowed to hold power again. If I lived in Massachusetts, I would do anything it takes to prevent that guy from winning. I would elect a child molesting schizophrenic over a Republican any day. They do not deserve power, they cannot wield power, they will ALWAYS abuse power, and fuck, if the situation were reversed, they would do the same and 10 times worse and call it fair play. > > Ed Schultz should be commended for telling people to do that. Everybody voting Dem in Massachusetts should vote as many times as they can get away with. Go to different voting districts, pretend you forgot your ID. Impersonate Republican neighbors. Do not let another Republican into office, ever. Change the date, add Democrat after Republican and this post will be utterly complete. Or better yet, change Republican and Democrat to “politician”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheat-to-keep-republicans-from-winning-mass-senate-seat-says-msnbcs-schultz/525576.md?page=5)